The Entity – Interview with Doris Bither’s son
Brian Harris In what many consider to be one of the most intriguing and paramount cases in the paranormal, many speculations and theories arose in the paranormal community (and the outside) about what really happened in that old and small Culver City home in southern California in the early 1970s.
No one knows what really happened to Doris Bither or any of her children. Did they finally escape the evil that was so present and dominate in their home? Did they come out and tell the truth and admit it was all a hoax?
We here at GhostTheory.com, having a journalistic approach to the paranormal, were lucky enough to get ahold of Brian Harris, Doris Bither’s son, to set the record straight.
In this interview, I get to the bottom of the case and give you an insight to the true day-to-day life of the Bither household, the alleged spectral rape, and behind the scenes of the investigation conducted by Dr. Barry Taff and Kerry Gaynor and the resentment it left on the children.
Note: If you are not familiar with the Doris Bither story, Read about it here.
Doris Bither had 4 children. 3 boys and one girl. Brian Harris is the middle child out of the three boys. It has been his long-time wish to speak out about the story.
Doris Mcgowan (Mcgowan is her maiden name) came from a upper middle-class family. As stable as many people might think that sounds, Doris’ parents ran a turbulent household. Both were alcoholics and were not suited to provide a well-rounded upbringing for a child.
At the age of 10, Doris and her family moved to California from the midwest. Details of Doris’ childhood are not clearly known by her relatives. In her teenage years, Doris had a major altercation with her family. Both her parents, an Aunt and Uncle had decided to disown Doris and was cut off from having contact with any of her family.
As her parents died off, her Aunt and Uncle also, it was apparent that the abhorrent feeling that they had towards her was so great, when she learned that all of the inheritance was given to her brother.
With no money and being a single mother, Doris set out to make a life of her own.
Throughout her life, Doris had a number of failed marriages and relationships. She had given birth to 4 children, all from different fathers. Being a single mother and trying to support 4 children was something more than what Doris could handle. The Bither family grew up grew up poor and under stressful environments.
Brian Harris recalls the overall feelings of growing up in the Bither home:
Brian Harris: “The overall feeling of everyday life was that of being isolated most of the time.” “..yea the house was small, but since we were so separated [physically], you felt alone and isolated.”
The small Culver City home had the living room and kitchen in the front part of the property, while the bedrooms were in a different section, in the back of the house. Mr. Harris best describes the layout as an L-shaped property.
What is not known is that as small as the house was a hundred year old home with a 2-level cellar. The bedrooms were an addition to the original house.
The Bither home, as it stands today.Life for the children was far from normal.
Dr. Barry taff wrote about how the Bither home was twice condemned by the city, squalid conditions and always dark and closed-off to the outside world.
According to Mr. Harris, this was not the case.
Brian Harris: “…as far as the home being twice condemned by the city, that’s all bull****. The home was never condemned. It felt isolated being there, but that was because the house had built a large reputation for being haunted, that the whole neighborhood was coming by. Prowlers, curious people. Neighborhood kids would always come by, trying to see inside the haunted house”. “…at school I used to get teased a lot for living in the house…”
The home was never condemned by the city according to Mr. Harris. It makes sense that it would be closed off to the outside world, if everyone was invading their privacy.
The home was repossessed by the city and then sold. Doris was renting it at the time. It was then bought by the next door neighbor, Mr. Bob Salcedo, and then sold it when he had heard of what was going on and was frightened.
I then wanted to hear from Mr. Harris’ own mouth about the haunting. If all of it was true. Did the rape happen? were they really attacked by spirits?
I asked Mr. Harris about the claims and reports. There was a long sigh. I felt as if he was bothered by the question. Like if he had been asked to recount the events every time he mentioned his mother’s name. The phone went silent for an awkward 6 seconds or so after the sigh.
Brian Harris: “*sighs*…..What do you want to know? ……It was all true”
WOW! I thought. This is it! this is the confirmation I’ve been waiting for. I nod my head, as if I knew it all along. A sort of “Hell yea!” motion.
Brian Harris: “Well, it was all mostly true. Have you seen the movie?”
I confessed that I did not watch the 1981 film, which stars Barbara Hershey, titled “The Entity”. I told Mr. Harris that I did read and re-read Dr. Barry Taff’s report on the case.
Brian Harris: “yea, the movie did add a lot of things [A lot of the events in the film were fictionalized, in spite of Taff's and Gaynor's request].” “…Barbara Hershey did do a good job. It was exactly as I remember my mother going through. The bruises in her legs and inner thighs. The attacks.”
I then started to prod Mr. Harris about the whole haunting and the attacks that seemed to be focused on Doris and his eldest brother.
Brian Harris: ” Well everything about what was reported was true. It did happen. Living in that home was hell.”
“…We all experienced some form of attack.” “There was the pushing, biting and scratching being done to us.” “…there were about 4 entities in the home, and they made themselves known by appearing all the time….I think it took a lot of energy for them to do that.”
According to Mr. Harris, they all suffered the attacks. Himself receiving less abuse. He believes that the entities were drawn to the negative and frightened attitude the rest of the family members had. Especially Doris.
I proceeded to ask him about the physical attack brought upon the entities. I was especially interested in the rape claim of Doris Bither.
Brian Harris: “..It was as if they [the four entities] showed themselves whenever they felt like.”
I asked Mr. Harris to describe what they looked like.
Brian Harris: “It was never clear. Like I would see you Javier. When they would make themselves known, it was always like a fog. Like a human…but not quite.”
“like a silhouette of a human?” I asked.
Brian Harris: “Yes, like a silhouette. Just not clear. Translucent and foggy.”
I asked Brian about the features of the apparitions.
Brian Harris: “It was like a sculpture. Like a chiseled body. Not a full figure, but at times we could see some of it [the musculature]“
“…It’s funny, the whole incident about them being Asian; that’s not true. I don’t know where they [Taff & Gaynor] got that idea from. They did not have Asian features. They did not look Asian.”
Mr. Harris was referring to the initial description that Dr. Barry Taff had made about the spirits looking Asian. According to Mr. Harris, they did not look Asian.
Brian Harris: “At times, it would be annoying. We would be watching television and these things would walk by. Like nothing.” “…We were so used to the poltergeist, that we just got to a point were we wouldn’t even care.”
Brian Harris: “The whole rape thing was real. My room was right next door to my mother’s. I would hear the attacks happening. Things being thrown, her screaming. Then she would come out of the bedroom and have all these bruises. On her legs, her inner thighs. Just like in the movie.”
“…there were times were we would see it happen in front of us. It was like if a man was standing in front of my mother and would start to beat her. Imagine a woman being beaten. You could see her being picked up and thrown around. Sounds, slaps…but there was no one there to actually do it.” “we all felt it too. pulling, biting and scratching…we were all attacked.”
What Mr. Harris had told me was that at times, these foggy apparitions became clear and detailed. He would see musculature and facial features at times. Curious to know how he, as a child, dealt with these visions, I asked him to describe his childhood around this.
Brian Harris: “…Well it was hell. There I was, barely out of elementary school, trying to carry on and ignore it all and there was so much commotion going on. Between Barry’s team of 30 or so people crammed in a small, and I mean, small room. Cheering and yelling at this thing. I was in the next room trying to watch television. Trying to mind my own business.”
The investigations that Taff and Gaynor did lasted around two and three months. I started to sense that Mr. Harris was a bit bothered when we talked about the team of researchers that invaded his home. I wanted to know the real feelings he had about the whole ordeal. I wanted to get a perspective of a bystander, to see what it was like behind the scenes of an investigation. It was anything but helpful in this case. The feeling I had after talking to Mr. Harris, was that of a person who resented the investigative team that was supposed to be there to help them live a normal life. A sort of “we got what we wanted, good luck with the haunting” feeling.
Brian Harris: “The whole investigation lasted about 2 or 3 months. But it wasn’t like Barry was there every single day. So for him to say that this could have been some sort of telekinetic thing that my mother was creating is all bull****. She didn’t want to have this happen….it’s a possibility, but it’s not like he knew what we were really going through. He was not an “Uncle Bob” that knew the family. He was only there for three months. And from that, he would show up every thursday or so.”
“…When the team would show up, I hated it; because I knew as soon as they left, they would become so angry that the house would come alive!”
I asked him to elaborate on that last statement.
Brian Harris: “…it was as if the ghosts were upset that we went and told. Like they were throwing a temper tantrum, a hissy fit. So things would start flying, we would get attacked.”
“Can you describe the events?” I asked.
Brian Harris: “…what? I already told you Javier! it was as if the house became alive! Things flying, pots and pans. It just became alive. They were angry at us for telling.”
I proceeded to ask him about the theory that his mother could have created the poltergeist herself. I asked Mr. Harris if they did have a love/hate relationship with their mother, could that have caused it. The fact that she was drinking heavily, that could have contributed.
Brian Harris: “yea…I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reason. You have to understand, my mother was drinking heavily because of what was going on. She wanted to escape. So she drank. Barry reported that she was always drunk. that’s not true. In fact, I wish I could talk to him in person. I have a few things I want to clear out.”
As far as the telekinetic/psychokinetic theory:
Brian Harris: “The home was unstable. We did fight a lot. My older brother was mean to us. So there was a lot of tension. My mother’s boyfriend at the time left because he could not handle it [the poltergeist and tension]. Which was a good thing. He was a bastard.”
“The telekinesis theory is possible. There was so much tension and negative energy. You have to remember that it could have been also [amplified] done by Barry’s team. There was at times, 20 or 30 people in a room. Yelling at this thing. Trying to make it come out. Camera equipment, lights. The collective energy could have made it worse.”
That was an excellent point Mr. Harris had touched upon.
I know scientific research is needed, and what in the end of an investigation all that matters is the hard data facts. But we must not overlook what we ourselves indirectly cause. A haunting or poltergeist is usually a very personal and intimate thing. From my readings over the years, it seems like it is usually targeted toward a single person. If a family is involved, then it stays in the home, almost never manifesting itself to outsiders.
Having a team of scientists and students provoke evil forces in order to capture evidence is dangerous. Once the scientists realize that no data was collected. No apparitions made, then they will soon start to doubt the claim and ultimately abandon the research. The poltergeist can wait. It can then come out once everyone has left and take it’s rage out on the residents.
Sounds like a horror novel, right?
This is what this case was. No useful evidence was ever captured. Except a few photographs that show orbs. Real orbs, not these ones that we see all over the web that are clearly dust or bugs reflecting the camera’s flash.
Doris Bither in mid paranormal activity. Notice how the orb free floating. It’s arc never bends with the back wall’s corner as would be expected if it was projected onto the wall.Mr. Harris told me that there were 4 entities in the beginning of the interview. Dr. Barry Taff reported only three spirits in the home. So I asked Mr. Harris to talk about the fourth spirit.
Brian Harris: “That was the one we called Mr. “Whose-it”. He was always walking around the house. He was thr one who I believed to be my grandfather.”
“How did you come to that conclusion?” I asked.
Brian Harris: “Because it told me. It said that it was my grandfather. It looked like him”
Dr. Barry Taff reported only three spirits haunting the home. The children reported four. It is my believe that these four spirits were malevolent. The spirit that the kids referred as “Mr. Whose-it” was probably not their grandfather. Most likely it was an evil spirit trying to play on the feelings of non-responsive child.
Just a thought.
I asked Mr. Harris to explain about the claims of his older brother listening to satanic music as Dr. Barry Taff reported.
Brian Harris: “That’s all bull****. We never listened to “Satanic Music”. It was Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep. Any kid that grew up in the 70s and listened to Rock, that is what they listened to. It was the cool thing to do. Although, we did notice that when we would play certain songs, the spirits would become agitated. There is this song in the Uriah Heep album “Demons and Wizards” that talks about good versus evil. It’s basically about the devil getting his ass kicked. Every time we would play that, they [spirits] would become agitated.”
I mentioned that Doris was renting the house in Culver City. The owner, hearing about all the supernatural things going on, decided to sell that home. Doris and her kids were forced to move.
Brian Harris: “The new place we moved to was hell. It was in the bad part of Carson, CA. There was very little paranormal activity happening. It was hell because of the neighborhood. It was a bad neighborhood and school. The paranormal stuff was very rare at that point.”
Brian Harris and his siblings all posses some form of psychic power according to him. Although throughout the years it has become more and more faint, he still sees shadows and spirits every now and then. Throughout his life, he’s seen them. So have his siblings. It was only in the Culver City home that it became negative and physical.
The intensive psycho-kinetic energy in the Culver City home could have been extremely overwhelming. Combined with the negative attention it brought (unwanted intrusion of the research team and family tension) it could have easily been a beacon for all these evil spirits.
Dr. Barry Taff reported that eventually Doris had moved to Texas and then back to San Bernardino, CA. She had reported to him that by that time, she had gotten impregnated by one of the spirits.
I asked Brian harris about the ectopic or hysterical pregnancy claims.
Brian Harris: “It’s possible. I mean, my mother moved around a lot. She was so unstable, we would lose contact with her. She had so many boyfriends and husbands, that I lost count. So it’s a possibility that one of her boyfriends got her pregnant.”
Contrary to what may reports state, Carla Moran is not Doris’ real name. That was the fictional character from the movie “The Entity” that was based on the Doris Bither story. Doris never lived in San Bernardino, CA.
After leaving Carson, CA, she left for Texas and then came back to the Lawndale and Torrance, CA cities. a few miles south of Culver City.
Doris Bither passed away in 1995, from Pulmonary Arrest.
Written by Javier Ortega - javier@ghosttheory.com
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I had experience many paranormal activities in my life from people touching me, to pulling my bed sheet, but it was clear to me as a child that it was familiar spirits checking on us and playing pranks. Still today I see and feel presence but they are not maglinant I sense that our love once check on us once in a while. I really, believe that the location, the psychic teenage children, the guilty mother all of these factor create the poltergeist, or facilitated the opportunity for a nasty ex boyfriend getting even. I would love to see a reputable team like the Ghost Hunters to come to that house and check it out. I wouldn’t be surprise if they find nothing, since the catalyst is no longer their.
Helen,
Thanks for sharing your story.
I too agree that if someone investigated the home, they would find nothing. There has been no reports of any disturbances after the family moved out.
-Javier
It makes a lot of sense that as the family got older and split, the mother’s attacks became infrequent, and less severe since there wasn’t that many people feeding the “fire” sort of speak. I hope she found peace. Kudos to the son for being honest, and like you said he could have made money and chose not to do it. I find the Warrens, a little apprehensive since they saw demonic entities in way too many cases. Sadly Ed passed away; I thought he kept her grounded, probably would have warned her not to participate with “Paranormal States.” Frankly, people do what they always do, if they are good or bad, then that’s what they are when they change frequency and cross over or not.
Hi,
I have always found this story very interesting.
IS it possible that the mother was sexually self harming due to the fact that she was raped as a child by her father?.
Is that the reason why she was disowned by her so called family ,because she told her family what her dad was doing to her and they did not believe her?.
If she was self harming, then that would explain the bruises and the screams.
Or is it possible that the lady had a form of sleepwalk nightmares.
based on the abuse she suffered as a child and again would try to defend herself from this nightmare whilst in this very awake nightmare, thus causing the bruises?.
However i think that there is actually alot of truth in the attacks.
Now dont get me wrong, as i do not believe in ghosts( ie dead people coming back to haunt us) but i do believe that as we pass thru time, we leave an electric imprint in time. and these imprints move around, ie forward and backward in time.
rather like an echo reverberating around a canyon.
I think that this ladies brain may have sum how interpreted this electric echo in time and would react to it acordingly.?
does that make any sense?.lol
cheers Ewan from Sheffield (uk)
Just had a quick thought,
In the film it shows barbera hershey being thrown around the room and her breasts distorted by what look like invisible hands pressing on them.
Did brian ever witness his mother being held up in the air or held up against a wall in a manner that she could not fake.
for instance being lifted of the floor and held there so her feet did not touch the floor.?
If that was the case then it blows my self harm/awake nightmare scenario to pieces.lol
Also did Brian ever fight the spirit/spirits, and if so did he ever manage to grab a part of them?. If so what did it resemble?.
I cannot imagine if this true what that poor family had to endure.
However i have always been the type of person that would have a go back, even if it was an invisible entity trying to hurt me or my family, this is why i cant understand how the family in the end just accepted that these entitys lived amongst them.
Im afraid if an evil spirit/spirits started attacking me,my wife or my family then i would introduce them to 50 grams of lead fired at 1500 feet per second out of the old side by side shotgun.lol
If that did not scare the blighters of, then i would get the nastiest vicor/priest to come around and send them back to hell.lol
Now that makes sense to me.lol
Ewan,
There is no evidence that Doris Bither was ever sexually assaulted by her father. No one is certain, but abuse (physical/mental/sexual) did occur, no one can say for certain who had done it.
As far as the bruises and attacks being self inflicted, well her children were all witnesses to the events, as well as her boyfriend at the time. There were also witnesses to strange supernatural phenomenon by Dr. Barry Taff and his team.
Brian Harris was never attacked, but his older brother was. He was picked up and thrown across the room at one point.
The fact that there were several witnesses to the events does not really prove the existence of ghosts, as we know them, but it does lend some proof of psychokinetic energy and unknown forces.
Although Brian Harris disagrees with the PK theory. He told me that he actually saw these ghosts/beings on a regular basis.
Thanks for your comments.
-Javier
thank you Javier
It is such a shame that this family had to endure this.
However i am still very scepticle about the use of the word ghosts, so please beer with me .
I know there are witnesses to certain aspects of the story, but your mind can misleed you at times.
for example Brians older brother could have thrown himself across the room?.
It is very easy to throw yourself and make it look like you are being pushed.
Why he would do that anyway i dont know?.
IS The house near any form of high voltage power line over or under ground?, is there a transformer substation near the house.
The reason i ask is that as an electrical engineer i know that high voltage lines or stations emit an EMF field in the shape of a figure 8 on its side, now this field can interact with dust or gases in the house and cause the arc shapes on the photo.
Also an emf field can alter certain receptors in the brain and make you see things that are not quite there.(halucinations).
however i do not dispute for one minute that Barry thinks he is telling the truth and that he did see some pretty strange things.
what needs doing is for Barry to revisit the house with a proper scientific team and video record everyroom from each angle throuout the house.
also Barry should get in touch with his family members that his mum fell out with to find out what the real reason was for his mother being disowned.
and finally I hope Barry does pursue a book deal, Barry i am sure can get a ghost writer to do the pen to paper stuff. That way the truth will come out.
when there is a book or movie deal associated with a poltergeist or haunting case and the case has NO REAL corroborating scientific data, alarm bells go off for me. big ole amityville alarms.
the picture could easily have been some sort of double exposure (with one photo being a blurred slow exposure of light). or a lens reflection or anomaly. i doubt very, very seriously if it’s a ghost.
hmmm….the mom was a heavy drinker and had bruises, what a coincidence. the home was in squalor.
forgive me for not reading the accompanying linked article, but who/where was the man of the house?
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/21/794269.aspx?p=1
“Much of what is offered as evidence for ghosts, or other forms of paranormal activity, is something where the person who is reporting it does not know what it is, but is drawing a conclusion about it,” he said. “It’s a logical fallacy called ‘arguing from ignorance.’ Because we don’t know what’s causing the sound of footsteps on the stairs late at night, it must be a ghost. Well, no, if you don’t know what it is, then you don’t know.
“You can’t say, ‘I don’t know, therefore I do know.’ … That’s at the root of so much of this.”
Nickell applies that rule not only to ghost photography (”I don’t know what caused this blur on the photos, so because I was at a haunted place, it must be a ghost”), but also to UFO sightings as well as claims of miraculous cures (”My cancer is in remission, therefore it’s a miracle”).
to follow on from bellaboo.
You raise some fantastic points and i agree pretty much with all of them.
However in this case, lets presume that everyone is telling the truth for arguments sake.
Then we have to think, about what could have caused this situation.
Now, i do not believe in Ghosts. Even thou i have experienced, to some people what may be a haunting of my property.( Ie, My old house was derelict when i bought it, it was a 200 year old stone townhouse/cottage in a secluded wood).
The previous owner has fallen down the stairs and was dieing. At the bottom of the stairs was a door that led into my lounge.
On the door at the bottom of the stairs was a letter box, for the post.
When i bought the house i tottally renevated the property and altered the driveway from the back to the front. Thus also swapping what was the front door with the letter boxon it for the back door that did not have a letter box in it, etc.
Now this is the unexplainable part
I could be in my living room and i would here a flapping noise, comeing from the bottom of the stairs. I would stand up and walk to the staircas door and the noise was still there.
As soon as i opened the door to take a look, then the noise would stop?.
If i left the door open also, i could here the flapping noise from the living room and the kitchen. i would walk slowly and quietly to the open staicase door and as soon as my eyes made contact with the old front door then the noise would stop?.
Also, i could be up stairs asleep and the flapping noise would continue.
I could here it throu out the upstairs of the house, and it emulated from the old front door.
i would try and be sneaky in the way that i would look at the door from the top of the stairs but as soon as i even glanced at the door then the noise would stop?.
Now i aproached my neighbour about this noise to ask if she had heard anything funny in her house, as the old cottages where attached to each other.
The neighbour then told me what had happened, to the old fella that lived in my house before i bought it.
The old man had fallen down the staircase and was wedged up against his front door,( now my back door) He was dieing and all he could do was flap the letter box open and shut to try and get attention from the neighbours.
The next door neighbour was passing andshe heard his flapping and his moaning from outside the house.
She went to help him ,but could not get in to the property because he was wedged up against the door. He died before help from the police and ambulance arrived.
Now if i believed in ghosts then i may want to put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4.
I however dont believe in ghosts and am sure that there is another explanation?. What that is i dont know?.
So getting back to the Brian Harris interview, i believe that there was what looked like strange things happenining, but ghosts it wasnt.
thanks ewan
I’m sure many of you won’t believe my story but I will tell you anyway because I totally believe this woman and her children went through what they claim they did.
I had a very unhappy childhood and experienced some mild supernatural things in our house. Our house was a battleground – no violence, as in people getting beaten up, but there were monumental screaming matches and there were also instances of incest. It was pretty bad. My brother and I, and some friends, saw weird lights on the wall for a while…and there was something not right…but it was never anything more than that.
Anyway, I also had a genuine spiritual experience around this time. I won’t go into it but suffice to say I can remember it vividly and will go to my grave knowing what I experienced was real. It was a beautiful and profound experience and it just happened to a kid for no reason. From this experience, I believe the rest came.
Fast forward to when I am in my early twenties. I had a mild, settled depression and turned to spiritual things to help myself – I sensed even then that my problems would not be solved by medication and psychologists, so I didn’t even bother about pursuing that path. I turned to meditation and a course of spiritual practice. I didn’t just do it for a couple of hours a day however, I did it as if my life depended on it – sitting still for upwards of 10 hours a day in intense concentration – only stopping to pee and eat something small. It was working, and things were happening inside myself..I felt peace and a very deep connection.
This went on for three months. Then oneday I just stopped because I had the most horrible sense of foreboding. I knew something was going to happen. A month or so later, I had, what I now know ( thanks to the internet ) was a kundalini awakening.
Spiritual masters of various persuasions always say you should never force things..you should proceed cautiously and with common sense….everything I did not. You can look up kundalini awakening on the net. Many people experience various things when it happens. I won’t go into the things that happened to me, but I basically spent about 7 years in a small flat feeling spaced out, at times like I was dead; I was totally disconnected from the world and every night some new bizzare experience would occur – energy, dreams, shaking, ecstacy, and more.
I know this sounds like a total load of crap but it really is all true. I forced something spiritual to happen and it happened. Unfortunately for me though – and for many others who have experienced kundalini awakenings – I didn’t have the support, the understanding, the spiritual maturity or preparation to deal with what was happening. I didn’t even know it was kundalini. When I eventually got better and got a sense of connection to the world again, and moved on and got a job and built a life again, I tried to forget it all. It was horrible – I knew it was a spiritual experience and I knew it had gone wrong and led me into a hole, but I just wanted my old life back again and didn’t want anything to do with spiritual stuff again.
Oneday, maybe 7 years ago, I found a site devoted to kundalini awakenings that listed a set of symptoms and had letters from people who had gone through, or were going through, an experience. It was a revelation. Everything on that site was my story too – all the strange physical symptoms, the physical pain, the heat and shaking, the dreams, the lights, leaving the body at night, everything. I should also say that I have never had any serious mental illness ( I know depression is a mental illnes but I mean serious, schiozophrenia-type issues). All through that period I was totally fine. Still had friends visit me and ask why I wasn’t doing anything with my life…still was totally normal in their view….they just thought I had dropped out and become a bum for no apparent reason. I just want that to be clear before I get to the main point that is relevant for this forum. I had the strangest things happen to me but never became ‘unclear’ mentally.
One of the sypmtoms of a kundalini awakening is possession states. From what I can gather it is uncommon. All the stories I have read online and in books on this topic have never spoken about what happened to me in that little apartment. Into my sixth year in that apartment, things started happening. First I would wake up after one of my bizzare dreams, and the lights would be on and the taps running. Then things started to disappear and reappear again. Cupboards full of plates and cups would be totally rearranged in the morning. I knew at the time it was likely that I had some kind of ghost harrassing me, but it was too horrific to acknowledge. I tried to ignore my way out of it. You see, I had been through a lot by that stage, the thought that I was now dealing with a ghost in my apartment was just too much – I just shut down and didn’t care anymore.
My best friend came over oneday, who I hadn’t seen for a year, and said ‘ what the fuck is that smell’. I didn’t know what he was talking about, but when I went to stand where he was standing, in the living room, there was the most vile, nasty, unidentifiable smell you could imagine. We tried to work out where it was coming from but there was no source. It was also not like any smell I have ever experienced before. It came and went for a few days, along with unexplainable freezing cold areas in the apartment – it was like walking through a freezer.
Then things got weirder. I went in the kitchen and a coin was thrown at me. I went back in my living room and sat down just overwhelmed at the shit that was happening, and then the door closed slowly right in front of me. No windows were open, there was no breeze, and it just closed like someone pushed it closed.
The next morning I was shaving in my bathroom mirror, and as I looked up after washing out the razor under the tap, I saw a flash of a man’s face standing behind me. Of course, I ignored that too.
Then, I started to get pushed. Like just walking to the kitchen to make a coffee for example, and I felt propelled forward like someone had given me a short sharp palm push. I started to wake up one night because I felt something touching me around my throat…and it was my own hand. I didn’t move it. It sounds like total crap I know, but it’s totally true. My own hand was wrapped around my throat and mildly choking me. Then, over the course of a few nights, I would be falling asleep and then suddenly my own hand would fling back and hit me in the face. It did it by itself – totally unconsciously. I know you are all probably rolling around laughing your arses off about this, but it happened. It was too weird to process at the time and it was only when I found out about the kundalini stuff online that I’ve thought in detail about all the things that went on during that period. This happened ( the self punching, maybe 6 or 7 times in total ) and the self choking, thankfully just the once. But then I felt dull thuds hit me in the face, like someone had punched me in the face. It happened maybe 15 times over the course of two weeks.
By this stage,I didn’t want to stay home. I slept at my mother’s place for a few nights, and then at a friends, I wasn’t consciously thinking ‘ there’s a ghost in my apartment’ but I just felt sick to the stomach being there. I knew something was happening like a horror movie, but I couldn’t admit it to myself, or deal with it.
So after a week I go home again. The first night back I wake up and can;’t move, and I feel the sheet on my bed being pulled down slowly….I can’t remember anything after that except that I wake up again and all the lights are on, my underpants have been pulled down around my knees. The sheet is off the bed and I’m laying there exposed. I KNOW I didn’t do that. The next night again, I feel something touching my dick..it’s warm and feels like energy..not like human skin…but there is warm energy and it’s moving around my penis. When I notice it and feel the terror rise in my heart, it stops. So I tell myself it was nothing…just my imagination. I know I have some kind of ghost in the apartment but I can’t begin to think that it was doing that.
THe next morning I wake up and sit on my sofa with a coffee and notice something on the wall next to my bed – when I go over to look I feel the most frightened so far..I think this is when everything really hit home….it said ‘ fuck you’, and it was written in something red….some red matter. I decided at this point that I was going to move out. I had no money, no way of getting anything decent in the situation I was in, but I decided I was out of there as soon as possible. I felt totally sick and my stomach was knotted. I simply couldn’t believe what had happened. I kept thinking, this is not real, it ’s like a movie. It’s just not real. I am not someone who believed in this kind of dramatic haunting stuff – even though I was very familiar with spiritual experiences by that stage, I didn’t think that haunting or ghosts was real – to this extent at least. It was really like a movie.
So over the next few days I heard a voice laughing in the apartment, I felt hot breath in my ear when I was falling asleep, I heard a man’s voice say my name. I had given notice on the apartment and was trying to work out with my mother when I could move in with her. Finally, the last thing happened.
I was in sleeping, and I felt myself upended and turned around. When I say I was sleeping, I mean I was in a dream state…the usual bizzare dream state that had ocurred on and off for for 6 years…strange lights, different colours, the sense of being asleep yet still conscious, the strange images, the bright white lights flashing into my eyes – all this is kundalini related stuff and happens to many people who go through this stuff – but this time something from outside of me flipped me over. As it was happening I was conscious of it happening and I knew it wasn’t me doing it. Then I felt a sharp pain in my arse. It felt like something was going in and out of my arse. I was also in the grip of something that had a lot of power and held me…I simply couldn’t move. I felt the weight of something on me and it was pushing against me and screwing me.
I can’t remember how it ended, but I opened my eyes and could move my body again. I felt my underpants but they were still on me – they weren’t pulled down.
I was totally traumatised because I know what I felt. I didn’t doubt myself because my underpants were still on me. I know I was raped. I knew it then and I know it now. I will never forget that. It was as real as if some guy walked in here and raped me right now. It never happened again and I never had another thing happen in that place. A couple of days later I had this sense that it was all over, it was gone, and everything was ok again.
I will tell you something though, I feel a real anger at that fucking thing and would love to meet up with it again. You may think that is pretty stupid, but I feel as if some random guy I never met just turned on me and raped me one night. If that happened you’d want to take your aggression out on him, you’d want to stand up for yourself right,…well that’s how I feel about the thing that raped me. I feel strong now, I’m not weak and downtrodden like i was back then, I;m not thinking about killing myself, I’m not disconnected from the world, and I don’t feel like I’m an easy target now. I just feel very angry that whatever it was did that to me.
You see, I know what happened to me was real, and I know nobody will ever believe me. I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me either. But how do you explain something that just happened…even when it is totally unbelievable. I wasn’t dreaming it, it wasn’t something that occurred as the result of negativity or some projection or mental issues on my part, it was something from outside me that took advantage of the fact that I was weak and totally disconnected from the world.
I was able to experience a lot of stuff that I wasn’t ready for because I had pushed too hard and forced a spiritual event before I was ready to handle it. It opened up lots of bizzare experiences and it made me suseptible to being messed with. Not all spiritual things are love and light…go read a kundalini community and you’ll see what I mean….the stuff is real and there are consequences if you push things too hard.
I truly believe I made myself vulnerable. I believe this woman who was raped, and I believe her son. When we die we don’t all go to heaven. There are different realms just like there are in this world. You believe a murderer is going to heaven when he or she dies…they are still in the stream of their own making and it will go on even though they no longer have a body. I know this much from my experiences. I wasn’t enlightened and I didn’t get anything valuable out of my spiritual experiences….I was not ready and had no guidance. (Some people end up calmer, more centred, a lot more loving and traquill from their kundalini experiences, but many others, who play with things rather than it happening of itself, make lots of trouble for themselves and go through years of difficulties before finding their way back to normality again – with not much to show for it). So I have nothing in the way of spiritual tresures but I know what i experienced through those years and I know that death is really not a big deal. You lose the body but you are still there in some form.
I was out of my body so many times that it was not a big deal.
There are entities that are just plain nasty. I believe that so powerfully. The woman was raped just like she said she was. She was vulnerable and for some reason they could get to her. I know I was also raped, and I am the kind of person who has no time for ‘mysteries’. My interest in spirituality was entirely practical from the beginning..I just wanted to be free of the sadness that had accumulated from my childhood abuse. Just like a living abuser can choose a victim who they can smell is damaged already, I believe an entity can do the same.
If this stuff had never happened to me there is no way in the world I would believe it of someone else. But it happened to me as clear as day. I’m sure there are lots of stories like mine in this world that never see the light of day. I’m sure drug addicts, kids who have been abused seriously for years, people with chronic mental illness, experience things that they just ignore. In the scheme of their lives, they just let it wash over them. Anyway, sorry for the book like post. I’ve never written about this before, but I was thinking about what happened a couple of hours ago and did a net search on entites and found this site. I was aware of that movie before this stuff happened to me - i think I saw it when I was a teenager. I used to think, when watching stuff like the amityville horror ‘ god, imagine if this shit really happened’….and I never imagined it would happen to me.
Anyway, good night.
Hi David Stephens. Thanks so much for sharing your amazing experiences.
Thank you for updating us all on the Entity story. I hope Brian Harris and the rest of his family have found peace. What Doris and her family went through was a nightmare. Thank you David Stephens for sharing your story. I hope your well.
again there is the common link of bad things happening at bedtime.
it is interesting to note another commonality with ‘paranormal’ events as related by those who claim to have experienced them – the existence of various levels of familial trauma (child abuse seems to be an oft shared real-life experience and will often affect the psychological makeup of the adult)
so many people in this situation seem to eventually embrace zealous religious (many different religions) practices and/or adamant belief systems.
a tragic story, but i still find that there could still be many more plausible explanations for the events related besides “paranormal”.
David,
You drew those demons onto yourself by opening up to the spiritual world. They may come back on you at anytime until Christ sets you free. Once you belong to Christ, you are under his protection. He is the good master. This kundilini stuff is not of God. Trust me. I don’t care what good experiences are reported.
oh dear.
kundilini is just another evil Evil.
don’t get me started on the spice girls.
David,
I’ve heard of witches (wicca)/psychics tell me of how dangerous meditation in that manner can be. Your brain starts to breakdown and the lines between reality and imagination can be erased.
Not to say that that’s what I think happened to yourself, but meditating for hours and hours on end without having someone to guide your through the experience can bring psychological damage.
It can be construed as poltergeist or kinetic energy. Either way, this is extremely dangerous if you have never trained your mind/body for this kind of stress.
Know that this might not be external forces. It’s a strong possibility that these were psychosomatic responses to you body undergoing stress.
If you are still experiencing these attacks, I would suggest you visit a psychologist as well as someone who can be your spiritual leader and help you through this. Both science and faith can help.
-Javier
10 hours a day worth of meditation sounds a bit excessive to me, I would find it difficult focussing and concerntrating for that amount of time. I wouldn’t attempt it without counselling to talk about my experiences or an experienced meditation instructor to guide me through it
so what happened to the 35 mm pics and film footage of this event?
I talked to Thelma Moss and Mr. Gaynor in High School while doing a paper on the case. He graciously agreed to send me some photos taken, the one pictured in this article and 2 others. He discussed with me things they had witnessed such as a frying pan coming out of the cabinet and flying in an elliptical orbit and also a horrible stench in the house. He also mentioned the volatile environment and the drinking. He also mentioned possibly if I remember correctly that it was possible she was causing it or that they were feeding off of the children’s energy…He told me that the arcs of light were not physically present when the photos were taken and that it is impossible to take photos of reverse arcs of light, they must face the same direction, I don’t quite get this. He told me that a male voice told her to drive off a cliff while she was in her car at the time. She did also have a close friend he told me her name was Candy I believe. He said they took a polaroid of her and her face was obliterated but the rest of her was visible, she had said just before the shot was taken that a spirit was in front of her face, according to Gaynor. Other things-they both saw the bite marks on her…over 30 witnesses saw 3d balls of light shooting across the room accompanied by the form of a male figure and then disappeared as mentioned in Javier’s article. He also told me that seances were performed by the students before each session and that approx. 700 photos were taken with only 3 developing. He mentioned also that she had said her and her psychic friend purchased crucifix’s and wore them and upon remarking how much better they felt wearing them that the necklaces then broke and fell to the floor. They also wanted to build a replica of her house at UCLA but they had no funding to do so. Something else interesting is that her 16 year old’s arm was broken while he saw his mom being attacked. Mr.Gaynor told me that the actor portraying the son had the same thing happen regarding the arm. I believe it happened definitely, however the cause I do not know. But, why did she say one of the spirits had impregnated her?
Michael,
Thanks for the updates on the pics.
According to Brian Harris, he thinks it was one of the men she was dating that got her pregnant while Doris was suffering the spectral abuse. She might have construed that as the entity impregnating her.
We really won’t know since she has passed away.
-Javier
hello, this is brian,
wow im not sure how to respond to alot of this chatter, as i told some people i wished i had writing skills as i would give a very accurate account on what i remember, first my brother did not brake his arm, yes it was sore a few days he was slammed hard by a un seen force as i witness, and i know what i saw, and no i was not influence by nothing but fear, in witch i would never fabricate just for attention. as a kid it was tough as i was marked as the weird kid who lived in the haunted house. i understand that seeing is beleaving, right? im sure there are extraterestrial beings out the or maybe amongs us. right? i can go on about these things till the cows come home but what is the point? we all have our story to tell and to hold with in our hearts, i just wished i could get out my version and perpective on a real haunting. yes i said haunting as it was just that, and un till any one who feels and sees with there own eyes, then it is just a factuation a interest.and there is nothing wrong nor abnormal. i hope that i don’t seem like im ranting, i just wished i knew witch direction to follw to get the story out as i remember, and i remember quite alot of those days , as when you conqurer your fears you will remember fears always and embrace them.
thx Brian Harris
Brian,
Were you present in the home when the team on UCLA investigators performed the initial investigation of the house?
Thanks,
Jim
yes i was, but only a couple of time was i present in the back room, i sort of snuck in we kids were to stay in the front room , but me being me i was too curious, and that was my to face my fears.
Wow all of u have so many comments and I feel so bad for ur mom, brain. And for David being abused by something. But were u ever really hurt by whatever did u
This is for BRIAN HARRIS: I believe your story after all it did happen to you and your family.I know your tired of the questions but please answer this one: Some experts say that you and your siblings may have had psychic abilities that you wouldn’t have known about and that it can be passed down to your children. Has anything weird happened over the years to your siblings or yourself or any of your children that would be consistent with psychic abilities? Thanks, Mindy
The statement that Carlotta Moran was a cover name for Doris Bythe is not true. The Bythe case was actual, however there was Carlotta Moran who lived in Los Angeles having the same experiences. The Moran case was investigated by investigators from West Coast University, otherwise known as California School of Professional Psychology. Taft was under the supervision of Dr. Thelma Moss at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute. Dr. Elizabeth Cooley was the principle investigator of the Moran case. Her field investigators were Eugene Kraft and Joseph Mehan. During the time of the respective investigations I don’t think the respective investigative teams knew about the other. I was working on an MA in Clinical Psychology when first finding out about the case. I called Dr. Cooley and established communication regarding the case. Dr. Cooley was the one who obtained a grant for $200,000 to do the controlled experiment depicted in the film. Taft and the UCLA team had nothing to do with that, that was the Moran case. If inquired Ms. Blythe’s son would know she was not involved in any experiment at West Coast University that was Carlotta Moran the other victim.
I’ve read a number of things on the net concerning this case that I as a witnessed, once removed know as errors. Whatever the case the incidents did occur and as best I can tell evidence the existence of beings not hallucinations that are capable of existing in at least two dimensions.
douglas, you’re calling doris “bythe” instead of “bither.”
I was working on an MA in Clinical Psychology when first finding out about the case. I called Dr. Cooley and established communication regarding the case. Dr. Cooley was the one who obtained a grant for $200,000 to do the controlled experiment depicted in the film.
what controlled experiment? and what was its outcome?
I’ve read a number of things on the net concerning this case that I as a witnessed, once removed know as errors.
man, i wasn’t even there and i see errors everyplace.
Whatever the case the incidents did occur and as best I can tell evidence the existence of beings not hallucinations that are capable of existing in at least two dimensions.
well, that seals it for me and count me in as a believer in some things being at least two dimensional.
LOL!
What people refer to as “ghosts” are actually demons or fallen angels. The Bible states that when lucifer fell after rebelling against God that 1/3 of the angels who rebelled with him were also cast out of heaven. These fallen angels are what we now call demons. They can manifest themselves in various forms and shapes. Being in deliverance ministry, we have known of others who have been sexually abused by demons also. This story is not unique. Through the power of God and the name of Jesus, these demons can be cast out of peoples lives.
Ron, I hope that you understand your religious beliefs aren’t for everyone. There are many religions and cultures. I hope you can take the time to learn about some of them. People aren’t demons and demons don’t ‘manifest’.
Sexual abuse that actually happens is real, it’s not demonic.
Through the power of God and the name of Jesus, these demons can be cast out of peoples lives.
Actually, through the power of Critical Thinking they’ll be cast out and won’t ever appear again.
If sexual abuse is involved, it’s through the power of the judicial system.
Mark, I hope can understand that Ron has a right to his beliefs just as you do. Furthermore your opinion of him was clear even in the backhanded, passive aggressive nature of your delivery.
As a Christian I am of the belief that there are demonic forces at work. I do not share the same views as Ron but again that doesn’t mean he’s not entitled to them.
All my best to you.
Unfortunately the HTML coding I tried to use actually removed a word so I figured it best to repeat my post. Apologies everyone.
Mark, I hope you can understand that Ron has a right to his beliefs just as you do. Furthermore your opinion of him was clear even in the backhanded, passive aggressive nature of your delivery.
As a Christian I am of the belief that there are demonic forces at work. I do not share the same views as Ron but again that doesn’t mean he’s not entitled to them.
All my best to you.
Always intrigued me this one, after seeing the film years ago.
I had no real interest in this stuff for most of my life but I have had a few experiences that have me thinking and looking for logical explanations ….or maybe it is all delusion lol
David Stephens tale was good. I have heard so much about not pushing things. I used to meditate up to 3 hours a go years ago, my partner became my ex about this time. People more spiritual than I told me I was over doing it and not to force anything. I am so glad of their advice after reading Davids story.
At the time I was getting images, movies, sounds and voices lol I accept the possibility it was all imagination, for I do have a good one!! I have had strange sleep experiences but thankfully never been butt raped, must be a terrible feeling, I hate the terror that sleep paralysis can have on me if I have an episode and am not ready for it
I know some will think it all dream of Mr Stephens…but who really knows? All that man has ever done started as a thought and we can’t prove one of them as far as I know. The closeness of dream and reality to is quite small at times. How many times have I had a dream where it is so real…and a waking experience that I think must be a dream..or nightmare. Now we have some quantum and string guys saying that the universe/multiverse may all be a matrix like hologram and we are each our own reality…
Sorry a ramble lol
All I can say is to have to face these things while waking from sleep is one thing, you can claim it was a dream the next day….but when stuff happens in broad daylight, regularly…I am not sure how I could handle that…I am sure some folk here may be snickering at this story and Mr Stephens tale to…but we have to walk in someones shoes hell of a way t know why they walk as they do!!
Ron, you are absolutely right! those being that attack that family are demons.
I did see the movie years ago and was familiar with the factual part of the events but I didn’t realize until today that I drive by that house all the time.
Well I guess Brian is on the road somewhere. this is his Childhood best friend and i spent many nights in that house.
David Suits,
What can you tell us about your experiences or what you observed in the home?
-Javier
Come back David Suits! I would love to hear any insight you might have. Did you ever experience anything? Do you think it’s legit?
Javier, look into the san pedro case of the early 90’s. very similar.
SRC,
We already did a report on this. We interviewed one of the main investigators:
http://www.ghosttheory.com/2009/02/07/the-haunting-of-jackie-hernandez-a-haunting-in-san-pedro-ca
-Javier
Brian Harris’s interview presents him as not only credible, in my opinion, but also not trying to cash in on the apparently awful events his family endured, thus making him appear far more credible.
I’m sorry he had to live through it and wish him peace.
David Stephen’s posting also seems very authentic; that is, how he relates what he perceives happened, and I tend to believe his perceptions. It would not suprise me to learn this type of spectral assault has occured to many other, silent, victims.
Because of this, I want to extend my sympathies to him for such a vicious act which no one deserves—-certainly not just for meditating too long or inadvertently the “incorrect” way.
Whatever he actually lived through, no matter what anyone else thinks or believes, I hope he has peace as well.
Javier I highly recommend you watch the movie.What I wondered was is…in the movie,the most shocking part I thought was when they attempt to trap the ghost & freeze it with liquid helium inside a huge gymnasium where they have built a mock see through house with no ceilings or walls.Then the ghost attacks her,she runs away to a protective area they have built.The helium is released & the ghost is frozen, it shows the ghost to be absolutely gigantic (almost as tall as the gymnasium!)The ice then explodes & the ghost disappears.This to me was the most significant part of the movie.I was wondering if this part was fictional & added to the movie or if the research team actually conducted this test/experiment?
Jack,
Yea, I think I might watch it this weekend.
The movie is mostly made up. More than half of the story from the movie is sci-fi.
The lab recreation and the part about them freezing the ghost is just a bad script. All made up.
The report I did is a concise report on the factual events as reported by witnesses.
-Javier
Thanks very much for posting this and thanks to Brian for taking part in an interview. I wish him and his remaining kin peace.
I would strongly caution people against meditating without guidance. I meditate as part of my martial arts training focusing on techniques and having a direction for my thoughts. Before I was given this direction by my teacher I floated around my imagination trying to think of nothing, not blank white, not blank black just nothing – very hard – very very dangerous.
I suffered from a manifestation disorder when I was younger, I self harmed to think about something else, I would force into reality the ‘perceived image’ of various people I care about walking out in front of cars, taking a knife to their throat and sometimes completely ‘aribrushing’ items out of my perceived view of the world. I eventually fixed this problem in a similar way to religious fanatics, whilst some remove themselves from responsibility by following a set of rules or beliefs with no middle ground. Ie: All the cake, No cake. (why not a piece of cake =D). I trained in the arts constantly .
Without direction in my meditation these problems flared up, after a meditation session alone at home to attempt to improve my understanding. I was shocked at what I saw and felt, the forces that assaulted me I thought had long been banished from me, for the first time in my life I could feel my manifestations, I had to tell somebody. I was not met with men in white suits or a bottle of pills. But the masters in my training simply attributed my problems to a different way of looking into myself – a different way of looking at their path to enlightenment.
After some preliminary lesions in how to control my Lucid thoughts. I was strong enough to be led by a group of 3 masters through my own mind to fight against myself, as cheesy as that might be, I fainted numerous times but I was always guided, I did not always win but began to relish the challenge I presented myself.
A Christian will believe that the trinity can save them, they are correct, for them. A Muslin will believe Allah will save them, they are correct, for them. You see Muslims, Christians, Jews and even Taoists etc all believe in Light and Dark, its just a case of finding that light and dark understand that we all interpret the same darkness in different ways within ourselves.
I wish everyone the strength they need to overcome what will hold them back more than anything, themselves.
Thank you for the quick reply Javier,here is a link If you or anybody else would like to see this film.
http://stagevu.com/video/kfgdjieenzwz
hi
i saw the film awhile back and always thought it was a good film..even though i knew parts were not true. I see it is on tonight in the uk..so may record it..this is why i came on internet to see how much was true and came across this article.Very intresting read..although i do believe some peoples comments r to relegious. Reading brians statment..i believe it was true what happend..i do believe in spirits, but never come across any and hope not to!..What i wonder is these spirits must of been in this house b4 this family moved in?..and areprobaly still there now..but will only reveal themselves to the family which lived there…because of the negative energy the family had because of there mother having drink problems and the way the children were brought up?..and does brian still see his brothers and sister?..i wonder if they have moved on well in there lives..i would imagine the events that took part in there early life would have a lasting effect on them.
i wonder what happend to the rest of the children did they get to rebuild there live and has anything ever happen to them i wonder if anyone had ever put a curse on doris that this had to happen to her sounds like she had a hard like befor even being an adult and as a parent to children had to see all of these things happen to there mum very sad i saw the film last nite i never thought it would bother me this way but being a parent my self…………..
i must admit the film is alot of fiction…the rape scene is about the only true thing about the film..they havent even got the amount of children right..plus shes not an alcoholic in it.But it gives you an idea what it must be like for an invisible force to be hitting you and throwing you around…
@GWEN
@stephen legate
The film has a lot of fiction, but also a lot of true events. Doris was not an alcoholic as first reported. The reports from Dr. Barry Taff are skewed in that perspective.
I don’t want to get into too much detail, but I’ve been in constant contact with Doris’ other sons. We are chronologically going through events and I’m discovering more and more things about this story that lend explanations to the events. Most of what I knew before was wrong.
Some events are not known to the public. Dr. Barry Taff only reported on events that happened during his study of the case, I’m compiling background information and events that happened before and after.
I’ll be releasing another updated report on the case later on this year or early next. There are a lot of fact checking steps I need to take.
-Javier
Thats intresting to hear…do they still get events happen now?…or was it mostly centerd around there mother?..the children were very young then ..apart from the eldest who i believe was 16…
Do you know if anything happend when she wasent in the house..i mean when she went outside at all?…wonderd if the entity follwed her..in the film it has scenes happening when she went around her friends house and when driving..which i think were fiction in the film.If doris was not drinking when the events happend..i suppose its not suprising that she started drinking with the life she had when she was a child and then dealing with this entity. Its a shame she could not get any help early in her life.
stephen legate,
No, the events centered around their mother. The part in the movie about the car is true. At least according to her eldest son. He told me that one day, his mother came through the front door scared. Here eyes were wide and she was a nervous wreck. She told him that “it” took control of her car. He said that his mother’s emotions were real, but he did not witness the event.
She was a binge drinker, so she had been drinking before the events happened and during. The reports that are out there start from ‘71 and end around ‘74 I think. The information that I have is from 1968 to 1999.
-Javier