Gable Film Update: Linda Godfrey and others react
So much has been said and speculated over the original Gable film and the new up film that has surfaced in the last few days. Theories abound from this entire thing being a hoax, to a bear or wolf attack that was caught on video to the so-called Michigan Dogman.
I’ve been hastily going through the comments here on GhostTheory and other blogs about these two films. I’ve been contacted by various people who all seem to add a small, yet significant piece to this puzzle. Is this whole thing a hoax? or is this all an urban legend that sprung to life when someone found an old police/ranger evidence film from an animal attack victim? I believe that at this point, we do not have enough evidence to clearly state what this film is or isn’t. I think it would be best to investigate these films with an open mind first, before we declare it a hoax of proof of a cryptid creature. I’ve sent the original posting about the Gable film to Linda Godfrey, who is the Author of “Beast of Bray Road” and “Hunting the American Werewolf” for her comments on the films.
Here is what Linda had to say:
…I found the new video extremely disturbing and thought that it did resemble the woman chopping wood.
If this second film is not hoaxed, it does seem there is an amazing correlation. It should be possible for someone to check police reports about bear attacks with the general time frame known. I still question whether it was a bear; that is simply presumed by the authorities. It also does not look like a typical bear attack victim from what I’ve read. Especially black bears. To just take the lower half of the body strikes me as very odd.I do want to say that I’ve known Steve Cook for years and he would never perpetrate a hoax like this. It is possible that someone else hoaxed the films and used him as a conduit but it would certainly not be his fault. He has always been very up front about which parts of The Legend were made up, and has given all profits to an animal shelter. Likewise, the Gable film is now open to the public on a creative common license to study and examine…
I must agree with Linda in regards to the way the body of the victim appears. From what I’ve seen, bear attacks do no usually end up this way. A whole lower-half of the body was missing. I know bears could eat a whole human being, I’ve seen reports on that, but that was in an area where the climate was especially harsh that year and most of the bear population was suffering from starvation.
As far as Steve Cooks involvement in creating a hoax…well, I personally do not think he is behind any hoax (besides the “Legend” prank he admitted from day one). If these films turn out to be a hoax, then my guess is that Mr. Cook is a victim as well, just like the rest of us.
A comment left last night from William R. Hancock, who is a member of Linda’s Yahoo discussion group adds more to the mystery:
I am a member of Linda Godfrey’s Yahoo Discussion Group, the Unknown
Creature Sptt, and we were the group Steve Cook originally brought
the Gable footage to for argument and analysis, while he also went with some wildlife experts and photoanalysts. Project was suppoised to be “under wraps” but it got loose fast as we seemingly had a troll in our midst who bumped it to YouTube and the rest, as they say, is history.The general consus we made was this:
It is abslutely NOT a person in a suit. Our human body sructure
doesn’t tally with with the biomechanics necessary to bound around like this whatsit does. Our legs are too long, which would make our
butts stick up in the air, and that is not the case here. I about
killed myself out in a yard while all dressed up in a padded approximation of this thing. It was tough making a single credible
bound—making a SERIES of them wasout of the question.My efforts
were just laughable. No,anybody who tries to tell you that is
a person in a suit is “full of it”.It is not a stop-motion animation puppet. There is no matting
of images to be found and no “strobe” effect seen, as is common when an object is photographed deaqd still and moved frame by frame
between shots. No evidence if artificial “motion blur” via CGI
imaging, either.Not any kind of rod puppet. No green screen or blue screen work
in evidence.Not CGI in any way, shape, or form as the film strip dates from
the 1970s (so says a Kodak analyst) and it in poor shape. Computer graphic imagery did not exist at the time this footage was shot
and no CGI type pixellation is to be found in inhancements of the footage.So what is it?
The easier question is, what is it NOT? And wildlife folks, camera folks, and even M.K. Davis of Patterson-Gimlin stabilization fame
(who was “disturbed” by Gable)can tell you the “no’s”.It is not a chow dog and it is not a bear. The dead giveaway here is the morphology. Dogs and bears are quadrupeds and their skeletal structure is designed as such. An upright dog, like an upright bear, does NOT possess shoulders that run on a horizontal axis. Only primates do. The Gable beast has shoulders like a Green Bay
Packers linebacker and that only shows the chow and the bear “the door” on morphology.The second thumbs down on the bear—-as well as the thumbs down on the Gorilla (or baboon)—-regards animal behavior. Most higher
animals have evolved elaborate defense behaviiors to avert threats
and to prevent out-of-control confrontations. You see BLUFFING
behaviors in primates and in bears. They will do all manner if mock charges, followed by brief retreats, and will do this any number oif times to warn off–and scare off—an interloper. All this bluffing is meant to intimidate and send the interloper “packing”,
and, with primates is welldocumented by Dian Fossey and Jane Goodall. It is also documented in bears and elephants (see the
mama elephant at the waterhole sequence in John Wayne’s “Hatari”
for a classic example of such a threat warning)., About the only
time a bear will charge WITHOUT going through a threat ritual is if
some idiot is messing with cubs and mama bear sees it. Then you can WATCH OUT! We should note that there are NO cubs of ANY kind seen in the Gable film and therefore a straight up bear attack without threat bluff is HIGHLY unlikely.The Gable whatsit does NO bluffing and no warning off of ANY kind.
It simply sees the camera operator, sights him (or her) in, and CHARGES. No hesitation whatsoever. VERY atypical behavior. Whatever it is, this thing is mean. It is protecting no young and is in no danger itself. Still it goes for the human.One f the things that made M.K.Davis antsy is that this thing, just before it charges, seems to kind of do a sort of waver across the
front torso and seems to EXPAND itself. This is a bit bizarre and DOES tie in—maybe—-with traditional Native American stories
about dogmen as spirit beings. And maybe not.So what do have on Gable 1? Just what it isn’t, is my conclusion.
On Gable 2? Too soon to tell. Too much investigatory research needs
doing. The two things MIGHT be related. Time will tell. But I will tell you this, for MY money’s worth, the bear story is just that—a bear STORY. It is a convenient way to explain away the INconvenient for the DNR. Like swamp gas and the planet venus with UFO accounts and the Air Force.Thank you for your time and attention.
WRH
Granted, I also do not think it is a human in a costume what we are seeing in the Gable film, but I’m not to sure about the dog theory. The movements of the creature are really natural and fluid, just like a quadruped’s would be. So why isn’t it possible that someone just dressed up the family dog in a costume to achieve this natural motion?
As far as both films being related?
Reader Dr. Scott fills us in on his findings:
The camera reflected in the window in the original Gable film I have positively identified as a Bell & Howell Zoom Reflex 8mm Electric Eye Autoload Cartridge Camera.
The front of this camera can be seen in detail in photos found here:
http://www.buywithcertainty.com/images/aw2k/images5.htmlThe camera in these pictures does not have the optional Pistol Grip attached, but the same camera in these pictures does:
http://www.donaldlester.com/images/TLD1499-1.jpg
https://www.auctions8.com/uplimg/img_570406_0c7a861e0216ea6fb86d3adddadc4ff2.jpg
So, upon close comparison, the camera seen on the ground in the “Part II?” film is clearly the exact same make and model of camera, with optional pistol grip, as seen in the reflection in the first film.
These were wind-up cameras with a maximum running time of approximately 2 minutes per wind-up. The film cartridges have not been made for many years. The cameras and accessories can still be found on eBay. They were manufactured in the mid 1960’s.
I hope this helps investigators looking into the connection between the two films.
I think these correlations that are surfacing are extremely important in order to get to the bottom of this. Besides the imagery that we’ve been comparing and investigating, what about the original post that was done on YouTube? Who was the author of the video? and what else does the film show?
A long time reader of GhostTheory, who goes by BC had this to say:
… The geography seems to match up. I’m fairly confident the two films are a match. One of the things that bothers me about the second film though is the back story- it feels VERY fake to me. The person obviously wants people to think the uncle was shook up by what he witnessed, lost his mind, and had to move out of state. Also, notice how he says it was shot for the DNR but he makes a point of saying his uncle did not get paid (so there is no record of course). The implication is that he knew it wasn’t a bear that had attacked “Aaron Gable”. That’s the whole point of his uncle supposedly saying, “bears have FIVE toes,….. dogs have four”!, ie, the tracks they found must have had just four toes. Doesn’t his uncle supposedly saying that feel cheesy to you? I’m starting to think this is all part of something like a college film shot back in the 70s and the guy might have saw Hannity play the footage we’re all aware of, did not realize this part of a film he shot as a kid had become an internet sensation, and remembered he had more footage up in the attic. Then again, maybe he’s just a patient hoaxer…
I think at this point, our best option would be to try to get in contact with the owner of the second video and try to get them to submit a full length film for better investigations.
Thank you all for your investigative work on this, let us keep rolling and exposing the truth…
Written by Javier Ortega - javier@ghosttheory.com
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good update Javier!
I just contacted the Michigan Department of Natural Resources (the division that Bellaire would fall under) and spoke with the wildlife biologist on duty. He stated emphatically that there were no records of any fatal animal attacks there in the 1970s.
So if that’s the case, and he is indeed correct, then this looks likely to be a hoax, albeit a well-executed one.
So is the person in the film a woman??
If so then that cant be Aaron Gable, i just assumed that it was a male because of the fact the person was doing manly things.. I also figured that the person was working on there own vehicle..Idk
By the way this is the first time i’ve seen this website..
Very nice Javier!! Love it!!
I’ll put in a penny’s worth. The thing that got me with the body was the cleanliness of the upper torso. Look at the arms, you see no self-defense wounds. Believe me, if you are being attacked by an animal, you will fight with your arms and legs if down on the ground. Secondly, the shirt almost seems ‘clean’. Not scratched and torn (could be just me though). Lastly, from what I seem to remember about large animal attacks is that they love internal organs. High in proteins and other good stuff, yet the animal actually took the worst half of the body?
Steve did the right thing in contacting Michigan DNR. They would have records and it probably would readily available. Good job Steve!
Excellent post Gary and thanks for the research Steve.
one might also consider that the dnr has also been denying for 30 years that there are cougars in northern michigan, even though hundreds of people (including the u.s. forest rangers at sleeping bear dunes lakeshore park) have seen them.
ask any ex-dnr guy. if you don’t admit to it, you don’t have to stretch your budget, and very limited staff, to deal with it.
DNR in Michigan have denied cougar attacks in Michigan forever. I found out a few days ago that the DNR in Michigan have a long history of denying things of this nature. Jmilner is right on that.
the upper half body looks like the woman who has no bottom half who was used in the Chris Angel special where he magically pulled the body apart. Same dark thick hair, too.
This is all very unlikely speculation on my part, but I have a few ideas on what the supposed second Gable film’s true history might be.
If the first Gable film is authentic and actually shot in the 70’s (the time period Quinlan’s uncle was in college and claimed to be a film nut) my theory would be that his uncle would have an easy time identifying the type of camera used in the original footage. He may have even HAD the camera. However, since Quinlan says he actually purchased a vintage projector just to see the footage… While on eBay he could have also purchased the camera as well.
At first it may sound like its too far fetched, but, and not that I was around in the 70’s to confirm this, it would be easier to confirm the make and model of a camera during that time period, when there were FAR less models available than there are today.
My apologies if I’m just repeating something that’s already been said.
Has anyone tried to identify the animal from the close up of its muzzle? There are 6 very clear frames in the “gable film high quality with slow motion” shown on this site that even show the lining of its mouth. If this has already been done somewhere I’m sorry for repeating it. I can’t find such an investigation anywhere. Cheers.
Yes I have tried confirming the muzzle of the animal and match up the akward teeth in its mouth. I checked with wolf, bear, wolverine etc and with the dog seen at the beginning of the film. I couldn’t come up with a clear conclusion on what it may be.
All the animals on our continent have been identified, their are no new ones to be discovered, no hybrids of sorts for quite awhile now.
Its impossible to discover new species…because their isn’t anymore in the U.S. to be logged as a new animal, no hidden creature lurking in the backwoods either.
Has anyone captured a bigfoot? Loch ness monster? We want to believe in such things because we want our minds to wander to something other than our present world and its troubles.
don’t think that humans have discoverd all the animals that exist. just in case you did not know, a prehistoric shark that was supose to be extinct millions of years ago has been found alive and well and also a really long white fish with long wiskers that looks just like shen long the japanese dragon. What i’m saying is that there are still many mysteries in the animal kingdom to discover
What i’m saying is that there are still many mysteries in the animal kingdom to discover
no one is disputing that idea at all, but the picture and the story presented here (as with most pictures and stories of this ilk) are not mysteries – they’re hoaxes.
there IS NOT ONE scientist who would agree with the idea that all “mysteries in the animal kingdom” have been discovered.
plants either, and likely more especially.
that doesn’t mean that ghosts and demons are all around ((and if the TV shows and media are anything to go by)) ready to start a soccer team or some such.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73872&page=70
Hours of speculation of the Gable Film. In fact someone shows up (Don_Coyote) and shows parts of the film not seen before. There are stills of the ‘woman’ chopping wood. It is Aaron gable…
As for the second film…seems like a second rate try at hyping some garbage. most likely the ‘monster quest’ episode about the Gable film. Toodles
Actually, the second film seems to be inextricably linked to the first film, due to the fact that we see a pair of thick black glasses on the ground in Gable Film 2. They were never established in Gable Film 1 because we were never able to see the face of the victim (presumably Aaron Gable). That is, UNTIL the new footage from Gable Film 1 showed up (posted by Don Coyote on davidicke.com) which shows the man wearing the same type of glasses. So either both films are real, or they are both a hoax. But they definitely are related.