Paranormal State - Caught faking entire show

Caught in a web of lies…
So it seems that one of the clients for the “PRS” (Paranormal State) team has come up to expose the PRS team as hoaxers. I’ve written a few articles in the past about how horrible this show really is, and the damage that it inflicts onto the paranormal society.
Below is a long testimony from a former client of the PRS team. Kirby Robinson has brought it upon himself to expose the show and it’s staff. The meticulously wrote an open letter to announce their shenanigans. Read it and make your own decision. This is what we here at GhostTheory have been saying all along… Paranormal state is hoax. Every scene is cleverly edited, every evidence they put forth is questionable. How they manage to keep their ratings up is totally a mystery. With all this trickery and deception, WILL YOU STILL WATCH?
I leave you with Mr. Robinson’s letter:
I’ve had my say, I have presented you with my analysis and research into the conduct of the Paranormal Research Society, Paranormal State, Chip Coffey, Ryan Buell and numerous other para-celebrities who have engaged in acts of deception, distortion, and out and out lies. Now it’s time that you hear it and read it from the mouths of those who have been on the receiving end of those acts.
Kelli states: “[Name removed] referred me to you. My husband and I are not under any legal restraint from telling the truth about what Ryan Buell and Chip Coffey did and what was edited and aired on our episode of A&E’s Paranormal State.
Chip Coffey play acted at being psychic. He was given every bit of information regarding our case and the identity of the ghost of the past-previous owner of our home who died 28 years before we bought our Gold Beach, Oregon home.
I am a medical hypnotherapist and respected medium and psychic with many satisfied clients. We contacted PRS after our ghost, Bill Wells, began asking us for help.
The PRS team represented themselves as being part of Penn State University, which was only the beginning of their deceptions. We initially asked for help because there was some sort of entity in our downstairs hall and adjacent rooms which my own spirit guide warned me from dealing with on my own.”
Kelli and Riley Ryan are a very loving couple who purchased their dream home in Gold Beach, Oregon. Kelli who is a gifted psychic/medium, had established the Hypnotist Center in Merced, California in 1989. She is very accurate within her readings, very comfortable with spiritual communication, and has always embraced her gifts to be of help to others.
After moving in, the couple, along with Kelli’s personal spirit guide, encountered a very pleasant ghost by the name of Bill. Bill was the former owner of the home whose death was tragic, to say the least, that caused much pain for his family, friends, and the entire community of Gold Beach.
Unfortunately, that wasn’t the only entity that had taken up residence in her home. In addition, a very dark and sinister spirit had staked claim to their kitchen and hallway, moving objects at will, turning appliances off and on, frightening their ghost, Bill. The dark entity physically attacked both Kelli and her husband. Her personal spirit guide wisely informed her not to attempt to deal with the dark entity on her own but to get professional help which they did when they contacted PRS seeking such help.
Kelli states: “We made first contact with PRS by email Saturday June 21, 2008. We described all phenomenon and asked if they could help us or refer us to someone who could. We put our trust in PRS because they mention Penn State University so prominently at the beginning of their program. We felt an esteemed university would not want to expose themselves to liability so we thought PRS must be acting responsibly.
We received a phone call from Eric Leven of A&E 10:30AM Pacific Time on Monday, June 23, 2008. He told us that he was making our case a top priority because it was such a compelling story (seeing a headless ghost, all kitchen appliances turning on by themselves, kitchen canister sliding across kitchen counter and falling on the floor, an evil entity in the hallway, being locked in the bathroom, being touched, scratched, bruised, squeezed until I couldn’t breath and a kindly ghost asking for help). Eric Leven asked if we could send documentation that Bill Wells lived in our home and died in an accident. We sent the news article detailing Bill’s accident and funeral along with deeds to show the list of former owners. At Eric Leven’s request we sent photographs of all the areas of our home where the phenomenon occurred regularly with detailed descriptions.”
So the wheels of deception begin to turn.
Kelli states: “On Tuesday, July 1, 2008 Sumit David, Paranormal State Producer, arrived at our home to scout the location, interview us on camera and film all the haunted areas of our home. He toured our haunted house, property, and surrounding forest. He was actually quite frightened by the trees surrounding our home. He indicated they could start filming as early as July 10, 2008.
A&E was very pushy about urging us to contact Jim Gardner, the driver in Bill Wells’ fatal accident. We told them we would try again, but we didn’t want to harass the man. We contacted him shortly after discovering Bill’s identity. The point of us contacting PRS was to get Bill the help he was pleading for. Bill wanted people in the town to know there was no wrongdoing on anyone’s part and, indeed, it was only an accident. He also wanted Jim to know he was happy in heaven and he wanted his friend to be happy and live his life without guilt or sadness. A&E said Ryan Buell was very good at convincing people to take part in their investigations and how his participation would help the healing process.
Sumit David promised us nothing on the show would be done which would be injurious to Bill Wells’ loved ones. Nothing would prove to be farther from the truth than this most heinous lie.”
At this point we will use the episode, The Messenger, which was originally entitled The Headless Haunting. Each scene will be broken down exposing the deception that was occurring. Prior to the beginning of the opening credits, the lies and deception already start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPNDDRnBv4
The Messenger, Part 1The shot of Kelli observing a figure dashing past the window was staged. The person doing the dashing is a crewmember.
The photo of the tragic accident that killed Bill was never meant for public viewing. More on that later.
Chip and Ryan seeing something in the hallway and bedroom staged and fake—more on that later.
The case briefing takes place at the Gold Beach Rare Book Room what is interesting here is how secretive PRS is.
Kelli states: “The townspeople called me to tell me they were filming at the bookstore. The filming took place in the Gold Beach Books Rare Book Room. When I chatted with them casually about it they seemed uncomfortable, like they had been caught. They explained these things are secret to keep us from inventing things about our haunting and trying to embellish the story.”
Notice during the briefing that a bored looking Katrina is not taking notes and is simply playing with her small notebook. Why? It’s because she had spent two hours on the phone with Kelli discussing their case. Secondly, notice her at the point that Ryan himself was beginning to merge Bill the ghost and the dark entity into one. They never had any interest in helping the family; they simply sought to develop another sensational storyline. Kelli and her husband had never used the phrase shadow man. That’s of Ryan’s doing.
Kelli states: “Ryan took great pride in coming up with “This shadow man that you see in your home…” He practiced saying “shadow man” in a deeper register than he usually uses and was quite pleased with himself. He requires everyone on his team to worship him and show and express their admiration of him to everyone. Behind his back they express their disdain, but they all want to keep their job. Ben Wolf and Sumit David (director and producer at A&E) kind of laugh about Ryan’s attitude. These A&E and PRS crews were all very chilled here in Gold Beach’s 60-degree weather in July. I offered everyone coffee and hot tea which they loved and kept a sort of comfort canteen which they enjoyed immensely. We keep delicious coffee and 40 varieties of tea and chai, herbal and black. The crews were so grateful and comfortable they confided a great deal about their work experiences with Ryan. They are very young and Riley and I are grandparents who are “cool.” They were too comfy and confided too many secrets about Chip, Ryan and Michelle.”
The walk through is uneventful outside of one very telling scene. Watch Ryan pausing longer than normal to observe himself in the bathroom mirror.
We go to the client interviews with Kelli in the house, and Riley outside the house. Are they factual? And do they show a true photograph of what they were saying? No, not at all.
Kelli states: “They chop-edited everything. KOBI (NBC Station in Medford, OR) is doing a story about Bill writing a book. Bill Kelly, KOBI News Director, and Bob Wise, KOBI Station Manager, saw the episode and showed us all the voice-overs and chop-editing. They could see more editing than the average person and could hear the pieced together dialogue and that it didn’t match the action depicted.
That interview is in our upstairs master suite where we are storing many pieces of extra furniture as we work on our house. I am talking about 2 distinctly different spirits. Bill our kindly ghost asking for help to get a message to his friend, Jim, and the townspeople who misunderstood the reporting of his fatal accident. Bill wanted to set the record straight. The scary, fearful references are regarding an unidentified entity which was causing harm. This is the reason we needed help. We love Bill. Bill protects me from the other entity. Bill saved my life in an identical car crash I survived two weeks after moving in this house. We will email you a copy or you can purchase the tabloid article in the National Examiner 092908 issue in your grocery store tabloid check out display. Ironically, L.A. Justice wrote an accurate account without exaggerating or altering Bill’s story!”
You see in the first cut between Kelli and Riley, Kelli is talking about Bill the ghost, Riley about the dark entity.
Second cut between the two, she’s talking about Bill again, and Riley is talking about Kelli’s psychic abilities. Notice that Ryan is trying to downplay her talents.
Third cut, Kelli is talking about the dark entity, and so is her husband, neither is talking about Bill the kindly ghost.
Last cut, Kelli is talking about the dark entity, and not Bill. But if you just watch it on the surface the producers and Ryan want you to think of only one thing a dark and evil headless entity which is not really happening at all.
We next see that Michelle Belanger is brought into the case. Two years prior to the investigation, Kelli’s spirit guide had her begin to crochet a sweater that was for Michelle. Michelle also received readings from Kelli that were so accurate to Michelle it proved Kelli’s talents beyond any doubt. And she even refers to Kelli “as the best psychic I ever encountered.”
Michelle explains that she is there to “manifest” energy with the help of PRS occult specialist Eilfie to encourage the spirit to appear.
We now move to Dead Time. They state Dead Time is taking place at 3 AM. Well, let’s look at the facts. 1) Just going off of the meter we see the times 1:33, 1:35, 1:37, and 1:38 AM. 2) Now let’s get it from someone who was part of the filming.
Kelli states: “It didn’t [begin at 3 AM] on either night. The first night is was from around 11:30PM to 1:30AM.”
We run through Dead Time, and the next scene to pay attention to is when Ryan interviews Heather about what happened during the supposed Dead Time. Notice that while Heather is sharing her experience, Ryan doesn’t look at her but at himself in the mirror throughout the entire scene.
Next up is Chip Coffey’s arrival on the scene. He does his normal walk through shtick and informs Ryan that a person with M letters then later changes it to W W.
This is one of those things that what you think you saw you really didn’t. Let’s focus on all the deception that took place here.
~1 Chip Coffey’s arrival. Remember, we are on Day 2 of filming. Is this when Chip gets into town? Not at all. He had been in town for over 48 hours prior to his “first arrival” on the scene.
~2 When Chip is asked by Ryan “Have I told you anything about the case?” Chip says: “You tell me nothing.” That’s actually the first truthful statement that they have made on camera at this point in the episode. Ryan didn’t have to tell anything. Chip knew the whole story of Bill’s death and the haunting prior to stepping foot on the property.
Kelli states: “Eric Leven asked if we could send documentation that Bill Wells lived in our home and died in an accident. We sent the news article detailing Bill’s accident and funeral along with deeds to show the list of former owners. At Eric Leven’s request we sent photographs of all the areas of our home where the phenomenon occurred regularly with detailed descriptions.
Eric Leven interviewed me by phone twice. He consulted Chip Coffey with all the details about our case before they decided to do the show.
We had to leave so we would not affect ‘so sensitive’ Chip’s psychic abilities. Chip had been given all those captioned photographs we sent Eric Leven explaining all locations in and around our home where the phenomenon occurred. As a result, Chip very accurately picked up on all the phenomenon including Bill Well’s initials, WW (William Wells).
Eric Leven from A&E told me on the phone, ‘I consulted Chip Coffey about your case and he was really excited. I forwarded all your info to him…’
On July 1st Sumit David, A&E Producer of Paranormal State came to our home, interviewed us on video and did the walk through on video so Chip Coffey could see everything in our home prior to his coming here. We showed him every place in and around our home where we have phenomenon and those are the exact places he picked up his psychic perceptions. They asked us to leave to do their walk through filming with Chip Coffey on the first day. We were told it was so he would not pick up anything from us regarding the dangerous entity in our hallway. We already knew he had all the information about Bill Wells, our ghost. We had to go away so we wouldn’t see that they were doing nothing about the entity we were asking help getting rid of. All the ‘proof’ about Bill Wells was sent to them to prove we had a haunting to add credence to our claim about the entity in our hall.”
So we now see that everything concerning Chip Coffey’s readings and alleged accurate psychic abilities are nothing but a sham and a fraud. But it really starts to pile up from this point on. And I would advise wading boots if you decide to keep on reading, because the stuff is going to get very deep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyHjjDR9JBQ&feature=related
The Messenger, part 2We now witness an outright scripted staged deception by Heather, Eilfie, and Michelle. They do a deed search and surprise, surprise they come up with the name William Wells. A voiceover then tells the viewer that Bill died a tragic death. They visit the local newspaper office The Curry County Reporter, and uncovered the tragic story of the death of William Wells. What is the deception, you ask? They knew the name of William Wells was already on the deed of property. They knew that William Wells died a tragic death. They already had the newspaper article concerning the accident.
Kelli states: “Eric Leven asked if we could send documentation that Bill Wells lived in our home and died in an accident. We sent the news article detailing Bill’s accident and funeral along with deeds to show the list of former owners. At Eric Leven’s request we sent photographs of all the areas of our home where the phenomenon occurred regularly with detailed descriptions.”
Kelli states: “Sumit David promised us nothing on the show would be done which would be injurious to Bill Wells’ loved ones. Nothing would prove to be farther from the truth than this most heinous lie.
We shared with PRS and A&E a sad history of Bill’s death. Bill’s death hurt the entire city of Gold Beach. He was the beloved pharmacist in this small coastal fishing village and touched virtually everyone in the county. His death at the age of 32 shocked and saddened an entire county and the strange circumstances surrounding the accident (one person dying, the other walking away without a scratch) caused a controversy, which divided the town, making lifetime enemies of formerly dear friends. People could sense there was some kind of cover-up. The feud was so detrimental to people’s business and personal lives, the townspeople agreed never to mention it again, never to speak Bill’s name again and never to speculate about what happened that first day of October 1978. The town never wavered from their agreement not to speak of Bill Wells or his accident ever again.”
Ryan interviews the first EMT man on the scene of the accident, which is spliced with photos from the police report and a voiceover of Heather and Michelle talking about Bill’s injuries.
This is just another example of acts of deception on Paranormal State’s part. They knew all of the horrendous details about Bill’s physical injuries and the photos were from the police report. But what they don’t bother to inform the viewer is that out of respect for Bill and his family, friends and entire community, they had kept that part a secret. Until Paranormal State decided to expose it to the world with no thought of the pain and suffering that such an act would do.
Kelli states: “A&E promised us they would not show these accident photos. No one in Gold Beach, including Bill’s wife, knew the extent of his injuries, other than head trauma. That his head was crushed and severed was kept secret. This was devastating to those who loved Bill. Bill isn’t a 200-year-old ghost. He would only be 63 this December 8th. His friends, widow, children, and friend who drove the vehicle and survived the accident are all still alive and most still live in Gold Beach. These photos have been a secret for 30 years. The ‘cover-up’ the town argued about, the secret they sensed, was the heart-breaking truth of the bloody death of a beloved citizen. The responding officers, doctors and survivor of the crash kept this secret to protect all of Bill Well’s loved ones from an ugly image so that they could remember the smiling man as he was in life, not the broken body who was buried.”
We then see the second interview with Kelli. Again, there’s more dishonesty.
Kelli states: “I was asked to pretend I didn’t know any of the information for effect so that viewers could have the sense of the story unfolding, the way it had to us. ‘There would be no harm in presenting it again as though they made the discoveries on their own as they were the ones who ordered the accident report.’ It was genuine when I asked about the head injury. They didn’t tell me about Bill’s decapitation and they never let us see the report, so I don’t know it is actually true.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2U7MaR8_g&feature=related
The Messenger, Part 3We now come to the second Dead Time and the chaos and deception that raged throughout that entire event.
Point 1 - According to Kelli, Dead Time didn’t take place at 3 AM, but began at 11:30 and ended around 1:30.
Point 2 – When Michelle asked Kelli ‘did she hear that?’ Kelli goes ‘Uh Huh.’ But the scene is spliced to make it look as though she uttered that.
Point 3 – Notice how hyper Chip is getting about the movement in the kitchen. Yet neither he nor Ryan check it out. WHY? Observe their physical mannerisms – these men are both frightened.
Point 4 – The table moving is made into a big deal. According to Kelli, this is not uncommon at all. It really doesn’t move, it just vibrates.
Point 5 – The lesson that Paranormal State learned in the Hell’s Gate episode, is that if you fake things long enough you will eventually run into the real deal.
Point 6 – Chip and Ryan go down the hall and go into the guest bedroom. Ryan picks up a cold spot 10 degrees cooler than the rest of the area. They flip on the light and an outline of a person is seen by only Chip and Ryan.Concerning point 6, this would be amazing if true but it’s not. The cold spot, which is alleged to be a ghost? Or a demon? Or maybe a vortex to the other side? No, none of those things. It’s a cold can of beer placed there by PRS.
Kelli states: “This entity frightened the PRS team and terrified Chip Coffey who refused to deal with it. Chip had me deal with it and hid in a chair in my living room. You can see me in the hallway in the show, but they pieced together dialogue to make it appear I was evicting our ghost, Bill Wells. The PRS crew ‘faked’ cold spots in our home. They explained to us that they were using a six-pack of beer to attract Bill and draw him out so they could photograph him. I thought it seemed ridiculous and said as much to the producer, Sumit David, who explained to us, ‘I really just think it’s about young college kids getting a hold of a six pack…’
After the episode was aired, I realized the ‘Cold Spot’ Ryan and Chip were ‘discovering’ in our guest room was one of the Budweiser cans! If you are forewarned you can actually see that it is a can of beer on the monitor which appears to be a glowing red orb. I did save these beer cans with their fingerprints in the event they wish to deny their actions.
I confronted Sumit David on the phone asking why they aired such a deception. He responded by explaining that ‘Ryan thought he was really onto something and he appeared so sincere that they left it in because Ryan’s fans really enjoy his innocent on-air persona of sincerity and devotion to his quest…’ I didn’t understand why my spirit guide directed me to save the beer cans as evidence. She is never wrong and when she told me I would need them I didn’t question it.”
Kelli states: “I told Sumit how angry Bill was becoming and that he was capable of doing harm. And what were they discovering about the angry entity in the hallway? What were they going to do about it? Every time I asked, I was told only that, ‘They have a few ideas about what to do. They’re still deciding what approach to take with it.’ Again I asked Sumit why they needed beer to draw Bill out when he was happy to show himself if they would just let him give his message. Sumit said he simply thought the beer was more about a bunch of college kids getting their hands on a six-pack. I was so tired of getting non-answers I quit asking questions. That night at dead time Riley was asked to stay outside with the support crew. I was asked to help set up the sitting room and was told Riley would be coming in after we were through setting up. You need to know these details because what is on film is so pieced together and voiced over and edited so deceptively, it was difficult for us to recognize which parts were which. We could recognize the video, but the audio didn’t match.”
Kelli states: “I don’t know about any of their noises in the kitchen or elsewhere during Dead Time or any other time. I did not experience any of the noise phenomena they were picking up in the two years we have lived here. Our noises are different and nothing has changed. The table moving is real. That phenomenon is a common one in our home. The table does not actually move, it undulates like waves making a boat rock. Our house is in a place where the other side and our world have very little separation. That veil, like an ozone is not very defined on our property. We live in a type of portal between us and the other side. Our house sits on top of an underground stream which connects to Hunter Creek. Where Taylor Creek and Hunter Creek meet forms a kind of meridian and that is where our house sits. Put in a channeling medium and you have paranormal Disneyland when you are inside the house. This scared Chip Coffey so much he would not deal with the entity in the hallway after Bill, our ghost, was so angry over what Chip did. He rushed out and lunged at Chip scaring him badly. You can see this on the second Dead Time when Chip has his hand in front of his mouth and is hiding in a leather chair looking at me in the hallway. Michelle Belanger had an argument with Chip during that Dead Time explaining I was the real deal unlike him. Michelle knows this as I spent only a small time with her and discussed with her a secret she says no psychic she has ever been with has ever picked up. I called Chip a fraud. Michelle stood up and told Chip I was the read deal, a real medium, not like him who was faking it. The camera rolled the entire time. Look at Michelle’s face. At one point she simply looks disgusted and quit participating.”
Kelli states: “The second night Dead Time was about 11:30 to 1:30 AM with the break for the huge fiasco that did not appear on tape. Chip Coffey was so afraid after Bill rushed out to defend me against Chip’s terrible attack directed at me and my family. In our interview with Katrina before they arrived Katrina asked me to list the names, relationships and birth and death dates of all my deceased family members who have died in the last 10 years. Chip was claiming the evil entity in the hallway was my dead grandfather and that he had sexually abused me as a child. This is utterly ridiculous and untrue. That was when I called Chip Coffey a fraud and Chip responded with such abusive, intimidating and belittling language and demeanor in his attempt show me he was right about the abuse that I probably sublimated and that was why I couldn’t remember. I told him I don’t intimidate that easily and his incompetent bullying tactics would not work on me. I am a medical hypnotherapist of some repute and my biography is in the Marquis Who’s Who. You can go to any public library or newspaper and log onto the Marquis Who’s Who on the Web. I am listed Kelli Lorraine Ryan, DOB 062657. This is the most authoritative biographical data in the world and each fact is verified. He still wouldn’t back down and Michelle Belanger came to my defense and started having a yelling match with him. Ryan stepped in and finally pulled everyone to a neutral corner and took me outside to calm everybody down. Ryan and I were the only ones who did not lose their cool. Ryan never raised his voice, but he was so filled with anxiety he was almost shaking. He had a very hard time keeping Chip under control. They have a very enmeshed and unhealthy relationship. They need each other and cover for each other and conspire together and yet just under the surface you can see how much they are threatened by each other and how much jealousy and contempt they have for each other. It would take very little pushing to get them to turn on each other. They would easily blame the other for all the deception.”
Let’s go back to the cold spot for a second. Did PRS or PS or even Ryan come out and admit it publicly, that they faked a cold spot, which would be the honorable thing for them to do. No. Ryan Buell, Director/Founder of Penn State PRS, who cites the motto: “To Trust, Honor, and Always Seek the Truth.” On his forum can’t even tell the truth about the cold spot on the bed. First he claims that he hasn’t viewed the episode. Then he claims that the cold spot is an object that has been refrigerated. He later says he’ll get back to the questioner about the subject—but never does. Did Chip say anything? No. Did anyone from PRS or A&E say anything? No.
Clearly notice that both Chip and Ryan have frightened looks on their faces and everyone has fled from the living room. As much out of fear of the entity in the hallway and the anger and disrespect that Chip was showing towards Kelli.
The viewer is given the impression that Kelli is asking Bill to leave – which is not true. She’s trying to get the dark entity to leave and no one comes to her aid. Not Chip, Ryan, or the occult specialist, Eilfie. Nor do they offer to call in a expert in this field, not even a local priest or minister. Because it’s all about them looking good and everybody else be damned.
Kelli states: “PRS say they are PARANORMAL RESEARCHERS and expressed no interest in many of the real phenomenon they recorded [on our property]. Ryan picked up the spirits in the forest on his IFR and didn’t bother to put that in. Does that indicate interest in the paranormal?”
I wish I could say that the deception ended there. But there are even more lies yet to be revealed. The first is the EVP from the last Dead Time. What it is from is a ham radio operator that is located nearby. So there was no “paranormal event” recorded at all. The second lie is that Bill did have a message to deliver to not only Jim, his beloved friend who survived the accident, but to the entire community of Gold Beach. That was one of the purposes, supposedly, of Ryan and Paranormal State showing up, was to assist Kelli in getting The Message out. But did it? No, it ended up on the cutting room floor.
The next deception is the supposed final interview between Kelli, Riley, and Ryan. Is that the way it really happened? And is she really thanking Ryan for all his efforts of the past few days?
Kelli states: “You see me thanking Ryan gratefully and tearfully for his help right after I was able to deliver Bill’s message to his friend and town about what really happened in his accident. My relief moved me to tears because Riley finally felt relief after three nights of AM bedtimes and three hours of sleep per night not one meal sitting down mostly orange juice and bananas I was sleep deprived and exhausted and so grateful for the experience to be over it showed on camera. Bill’s message wound up on the cutting room floor.
More deceptions occurred even after they left surrounding the letter writing. During filming they made me recreate many things they said they would put in the beginning montage. During these recreations they were always trying to get me to scream or do something dramatic to show how terrifying the experiences were. They were disappointed when I told them I usually just froze when these things happened. They wanted me to do dramatic things to help the audience understand how horrifying the experiences were for their benefit. I told them it wouldn’t be accurate and I didn’t want to deceive viewers because it wasn’t right. Each time Ben Wolf, the director, would respond by saying, ‘That’s really good. You’re right. A lot of our subjects aren’t as talented as you are and we can’t ask them to do this so we felt comfortable asking you…’ Ben Wolf was working from a list of every phenomenon we gave A&E and PRS.”
After the team left, what happened? Did Kelli’s dark entity leave? No. And actually, in some ways, things got worse. That very day that PRS packed up their equipment and left Kelli and Riley’s home, the stirred up dark entity returned to its terrorizing ways. Even with the team still in town, they would not return to their home to offer assistance. Weeks later, when Kelli contacted PRS and PS for follow-up help, what did she get? Sumit David the producer is quoted: “But you did get some help didn’t you? So then everything’s ok. I’m sure everything will work out.” Again, we see the client has value only when the cameras are rolling, but when it’s over, the help is gone.
It wasn’t until Kelli and Riley, with assistance of those outside of the PRS team, discovered who and what the entity was. It was a displaced spirit that when the mountainside had been carved out spirits that were native to the area had been disrupted. This particular spirit had ended up in what is now Kelli and Riley’s home, terrorizing all the people who had owned it, including Bill Wells himself, when he was alive. Eventually, help was obtained and the spirit was effectively dealt with and finally, weeks later, Kelli and Riley had their house back.
But was the deception only limited to things going on in front of the camera? To be honest, a more sinister act of deception was taking off the site of the filming. Throughout the stay within the small town, members of PRS did their best to dig up dirt on both Kelli and Riley. To no avail.
Kelli states: “The A&E producer arrived in town the beginning of the week of filming and all other A&E and PRS crew arrived shortly after with Chip Coffey and Michelle Belanger arriving Tuesday, July 8, 2008. They made their presence conspicuous and certainly raised eyebrows and suspicions amongst the townspeople who began to call me on the phone immediately. They arrived several days before they indicated to us, trying to uncover anything about us they could, hoping to find something unsavory or at least a provocative secret. I can only surmise they were a little disappointed to find out we are pillars of the community and beloved in the town as the newcomers who were so quickly and fondly embraced by the natives of Gold Beach. They discovered people who were also from a small farm town and accustomed to hard work, volunteerism and generously donating time and money.
The director, Ben Wolf, shared in an unguarded moment how no matter how many people in town were asked, ‘and they asked everywhere’ they couldn’t find anyone who said anything other than we were the ‘nicest, kindest people they ever met…’ Why were they trying so hard to look for dirt? I will never really know beyond the persistent feeling that untrustworthy people generally judge others as untrustworthy.”
In addition, the former owners of the property were contacted to be on the show and again, it’s best to read what happens in their own words via email.
Rachelle Schaaf and Mike DeRoest: “Well, as those of you who tuned in to A&E’s Paranormal State last night and watched the “Headless Haunting/The Messenger” YOU DIDN’T SEE US! We were left, I’m afraid, on the cutting room floor – edited out. Bummer! Had to fit those commercial breaks in!
Actually, that’s ok because our experiences were far more tame than what the Ryan’s endured – thank heavens! Paranormal State was looking for the juicy stuff that they could handily craft a story around. I guess stoves, heaters, lights that go on by themselves were not sexy enough for “Reality TV.”
When the producer called us. We did agree to make the trip over to Gold Beach to be interviewed on camera. We spent a few hours hanging around town while the crew tended to some dramatic new development; and then we spent a couple of hours wandering around the house having our conversations recorded with the new home owners and the ghostbusters. And then it didn’t even make it to TV! Mike and I need a better agent.
The story that came out on TV was only a portion of the history of the home and that which lent itself most readily to sensationalism. There were some other wild things that the paranormal experts were tossing around that were way over the top too, I’m glad the public was spared that stuff.
Do I believe in paranormal energies, perhaps ghosts? Yes, I do.
Do I believe in Reality TV? Uh, no.”And as the final credits roll, listen to the deceptive words that Ryan utters as he strolls along the beach. All those words are empty words, for he knows as well as anyone, that the needs of a client were sacrificed for the personal needs of fame and fortune that both him and Chip Coffey so desperately seek. In closing, Kelli says it best, and I will let her have the final words on this subject.
“On the one hand, people say these shows are just entertainment, it’s no big deal. And they are right. But real people’s lives are used as the kindling and are used up just as easily. They could simply interview people about their problem and portray it as a dramatized account of the ghosts/demons etc. in these peoples’ lives. What they do is offer help to people who are at their most vulnerable and not equipped to handle it. If they had an infestation of rats or bugs they could call a reputable exterminator and hold them accountable for their services rendered. PRS offers themselves up as help with experts and clergy and after they dramatize, fictionalize, and sensationalize some household’s problem they walk away and leave these people with whatever haunting, demonic presence or troubling spirit and, in some cases, worsen the problem. After PRS gets what they want the family is left on their own. If a reputable exterminator came to the home, looked at the situation, invited in a few more rats and cockroaches to move in and then walked away that would be illegal. When anyone is on national TV offering themselves as experts the FCC requires truth in advertising. These people are saying they are researchers, helpers, and warriors offering to battle evil paranormal forces. They cannot mix their metaphors. First by saying we’re here to help you and follow up, and then, at the end of filming drive off and say you’re on your own. After all, this is only entertainment.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPNDDRnBv4
The Messenger, Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyHjjDR9JBQ&feature=related
The Messenger, Part 2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2U7MaR8_g&feature=related
The Messenger, Part 3OPEN CHALLENGE TO CHIP & RYAN:
Ryan Buell and Chip Coffey are attacking me and my credibility. They are attacking my claim that my readings have never been wrong. I don’t claim my readings can never be wrong. I am stating correctly they have never been wrong, past-tense. They have all proven to be correct to this date.The most telling part of this attack is that they attack me. Two bullies ganging up on a 5′ tall, 51 year old grandmother — that’s easy. What is not so easy is attacking the truth. They don’t seem to be attacking the truthful evidence. The truth is never that easy to corrupt or fight, it stands on its own. It’s much easier for a coward to attack the messenger.
Why haven’t they confronted me directly? They have my address, phone number and email. They have been in my home. They used my home to lie to their entire audience and no matter how many times they re-edit the episode to remove their lies, more lies show up on tape until there is nothing left to air. How naive can they be? They aired it once in its entirety. Haven’t they heard of DVR? Too many people have saved this show, it won’t go away and neither will the memory of their deception. They are only compounding it by attacking me on the Internet and all behind my back.
They used my home to stage their fakery and my crime is that I spoke the truth about it. Chip Coffey has threatened to sue. I pray he does. I would love to show my episode to a judge and the beer cans with their fingerprints and the emails between A&E and me. Let a judge decide who is telling the truth. A judge would also deem their attack of me and my sanity on the Internet LIBEL and award me damages. I am a private citizen who offered their home to these people who abused my trust and attacked me when I told the truth about it TWO CELEBRITIES ATTACKING A PRIVATE CITIZEN. Does the truth threaten them that much? If I were lying they would have a lawyer send me a letter demanding I cease and desist in my lies. No officer of the court would do this after examining the evidence because they would not bully a person who will beat them in court. Please look at my biographical data at your public library. Who’s Who on the Web is the original Who’s Who started in 1899. It is not a vanity Who’s Who imitator. My listing is Kelli Lorraine Ryan, DOB 062657. See what I have accomplished in my life. This data is verified and considered the most authoritative biographical data in the world. What have Chip and Ryan done in their life? You can sample Who’s Who free for a week if you don’t want to go to the library or newspaper office.
One last lesson on accurate readings: My readings are accurate because I do not embellish the information my guide gives me. I am not afraid to say “I don’t know, my guide is not answering.” Many psychics are afraid to disappoint so they use their intuition to fill in the blanks. Some psychics get a real high by impressing their client with all their talent so they give a reading to impress and use excuses to say they night have to be patient for it to come to pass. Some psychics want to comfort their client and use logical intuition and pray they give a good reading. Clients don’t complain because the psychic cares. My clients come to me for the TRUTH. I have the courage to give exactly what comes through. If very little came through, I would not charge my client. My readings generally take 1 hour and I have volumes of inform nation valuable to my client and answer even more than they come in for. I have my client prepare ahead by writing down their questions and thinking about them before they come to me or call me on the phone for phone readings. I am not afraid to give the information coming from my guide. I know the difference between my guide’s message, my thoughts and the clients’s hopes. My client wants the TRUTH, not wishful thinking — they can get that for free. I have never refused to give a reading based on a client’s inability to pay. I give that reading as all readings with love in my heart. They generally show their gratitude by sending in referral clients. I am not afraid of giving bad news. The client does not ask a question without being ready to hear the answer, good or bad. I’ve never had to disappoint a client. I simply am not afraid to admit something is not coming through. So far, I haven’t had to. That is the main stumbling block of all psychic readings — their fear of something not coming through which actually acts like interference. I give classes on improving your psychic abilities and much of the tutorial is on this very aspect of the reading.
Even psychics have questions. I do wonder. Why are two celebrities so unnerved by one little grandmother telling the truth? They can’t be afraid of a little grandma, they must be afraid of the truth.
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Kelli L. RyanANNOUNCEMENTS:
~ On November 8th I will be analyzing the “I am Six” episode of Paranormal State.
~ Beginning on November 15 I will begin an in-depth analysis of the first season of Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal.
In closing, for all those who have been contacting me and talking off the record, I hope you now can see that you’re not alone and that there are others who have been used as well by the hands of other people’s quests for fame and fortune.
THE PARANORMAL MOMENT OF TRUTH CHALLENGE
Dear Ryan Buell, Chip Coffey, Lorraine Warren, Sandra & Keith Johnson, Dr. Ron Milione, Tony Spera, Shannon & Jeff Sylvia, C.J. Sellers, Chris Moon, Michelle Belanger, Chad Calek, Michael & Marti Parry, Mark & Debby Constantino, Kim Russo, and David Schrader:
I have expressed concerns about how you conduct your investigations and the validity of those investigations, where anyone with a clear and discerning eye can see that they are not authentic. I have also witnessed heavy-handed tactics being used against people who question your alleged authority within the paranormal community and dared to raise questions concerning the validity of appearing on the A&E shows, Paranormal State, and Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal. I can no longer sit by in silence. That is why I came up with The Paranormal Moment of Truth Challenge, which will benefit you, your organization, the paranormal field, and a charity that would be assisted from the donation of the prize money.
1 ~ It would silence your critics if you are determined to be telling the truth about all your claims and how they are presented. There can be no one left to challenge your honesty and integrity.
2 ~ It would not only benefit your organization, but it would also help the entire paranormal field. Because if such evidence is true, it will be brought to a much wider audience, which hopefully would fuel additional legitimate investigations. So it’s a win-win situation for everyone.
3 ~ The charity of your choice would have the prize money donated to them. If the truth is being told, that prize money could reach $500,000.
So, what is The Paranormal Moment of Truth Challenge? I am sure you’ve heard of the Fox Network program entitled The Moment of Truth. This is where a contestant is hooked up to a lie detector test and asked 50 questions, of which 21 of them are used on the actual show. As long as you tell the truth, you keep on winning money — up to $500,000. The production company, Lighthearted Entertainment Inc., would jump at an opportunity of doing a show with the two of you. And I will put my personal credibility on the line and appear, as well. For if you visit my Free All Spirits page (www.myspace.com/freeallspirits), you’ll notice that I personally make what some would call outlandish claims concerning my work as a Demonologist/Exorcist/Paranormal Investigator/Caring Spiritual Adviser.
If you would like to be “one step closer to the truth” then this is a way to achieve your goal. If interested, please contact me at this email address and I will get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
Your friend in spirit,
Kirby
Full source:EyeontheParanormal
WILL YOU STILL WATCH?
Written by Javier Ortega - javier@ghosttheory.com
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jeannine jewel indignantly insisted: .I am completely appalled at the mere fact that she would put into question the works of Lorraine Warren whom is a world renowned demonologist.
aaahahahhahaahahahahahahaha!
oh, sorry. i thought she was joking!
here’s some interesting info about the warrens:
http://skepticblog.org/2009/06/22/hunting-the-ghost-hunters/#comment-8906
bellaboo
“ooops, i guess you don’t need my warning about an influx of PRS-praising kooks (on another topic) since you have it here from the horse’s mouth. (brenton/faithbased is the poster who dredged the kelli/kirby thing up again at PRS and AE)”
I find it funny that you (and many others on sites like these) classify everyone that dares defend PRS as “Kooks”. That is fine. I am ok being a kook, but at least I am a kook who doesn’t accept “evidence” as being true just because it agrees with my predisposed disposition. As I said on my blog (and I invite anyone to test my theory), if you gave this letter to anyone in law enforcement or an officer of the court and ask them to examine this as testimony against PRS they would tell you it would not be viewed as credible. I also find it funny that people like you refuse to admit the obvious.
Also, just an FYI, the reason I “dredged” this up is because it is posted on Wikipedia. It is not like I went looking for it. I read it and decided to look at the evidence objectively. To tell you the truth I went to wiki to see if there was any credible evidence about this show being fake because I have my own questions, but this article (and a letter posted by another client of PRS which you can read on my blog) convinced me of the exact opposite. Why do you care if I “dredge” it up again? Is it that you know this letter is garbage and you don’t want the fact that critics used this as “evidence” against PRS to come to light again?
I have yet to hear one person explain to me why I am wrong about this letter. People have called me a kook and even worse, but no one has really explained to me why. Give me an objective analysis of the letter… not trying to prove something you already believe. I have shown evidence that the letter is an attempt at slef promotion by Kirby Robinson and Kelli Ryan. Explain to me how that is not true. You cannot in good conscience do that. No one can. You can argue it for the sake of trying to win an argument, but you cannot deny what is already there.
“then again, being “faith based” will make things fairly handy dandy when it comes to paranormal “research”. if they believe it, then it’s true!”
Your ignorance astounds me. I find it ironic that people like you attack people like me for being narrow minded. You have no idea what you are talking about and yet you say it with such great conviction. Just because I am “faith based” doesn’t mean I am stupid. It also doesn’t mean I think I have all the answers. I do this for the same reason anyone does this… I want to know. The only difference is that because of my personal beliefs I am governed by a different set of rules than someone who may not believe what I do. I have never claimed that makes me better than anyone else. I have never claimed I have more answers because of my beliefs. I am just like anyone else… blindly poking a stick at the darkness. I don’t look down on anyone who thinks differentlty than I do. However, I do try to look at evidence for anything objectively.
“…is able to ignore all of the many other misrepresentations and manipulations that are evident in so many, if not all, PRS TV show episodes.”
The fact is I don’t ignore anything. I have considered a lot of claims against PRS. Here is my opinion. PRS isn’t perfect. They have made mistakes. I don’t think they have ever claimed to be prefect. Ryan has been the first to admit that they learn to be better investigators each and every time they go out. To admit that is to admit that you have room to grow. I wonder how YOU would fair if you had a million people with their own reasoning and agendas criticizing YOUR every move.
Have I seen any evidence that they are malicious and completely slef serving as many of these sites claim they are? Nope. I have seen examples of former clients giving testimony of how their lives have been bettered by PRS. Those testimonies are convieniently left off of most of the paranormal tabloid journalism sites aren’t they? Or at the very least they get burried in the back.
Even when someone has come out in the open and said “PRS helped me” people find ways of rationalizing it to fit their agenda. Yes I am faith based in my approach. You can ridicule me for it if it makes you feel better about yourself. I don’t look down on anyone for what they believe. I can at least look myself in the mirror and say I am honest in my approach.
Brenton
I find it funny that you (and many others on sites like these) classify everyone that dares defend PRS as “Kooks”.
only the ones who post in a kooky way. i posted that right after i’d read someone called ‘raven’’s life-threatening post toward javier. (like i said, in a different topic)
That is fine. I am ok being a kook, but at least I am a kook who doesn’t accept “evidence” as being true just because it agrees with my predisposed disposition.
LOL! of course you don’t! faith-based research is so scientific. heh.
don’t you see, brenton, it doesn’t matter how credible that person’s letter is….what matters is how credible the SHOW is. all that person’s input did was validate what critics had been opining all along (effects were manipulated, editing, ‘psychics’ were getting info ahead of time, etc etc etc)
Is it that you know this letter is garbage and you don’t want the fact that critics used this as “evidence” against PRS to come to light again?
seriously, brenton, kelli ryan’s allegations are the LEAST of that show’s critical worries. for some reason, though, they seem to be the ones that stirred up the most angst in the PRS crowd. i wonder why?
I have yet to hear one person explain to me why I am wrong about this letter.
I have shown evidence that the letter is an attempt at slef promotion by Kirby Robinson and Kelli Ryan. Explain to me how that is not true. You cannot in good conscience do that. No one can. You can argue it for the sake of trying to win an argument, but you cannot deny what is already there.
it very well could be self-promotion. i wouldn’t doubt it for a minute. nothing you’re alleging is news. this topic has been discussed in depth on many forums.
the thing is, how much “self promotion” goes on in the filming of the “paranormal state” shows? how many ‘guest stars’ are in it for the self-promotion? how many commercial businesses decide that being haunted and featured on TV might be good for their numbers?
every one of them that’s been featured on a paranormal show, that’s how many.
Your ignorance astounds me.
not surprising.
I find it ironic that people like you attack people like me for being narrow minded. You have no idea what you are talking about and yet you say it with such great conviction. Just because I am “faith based” doesn’t mean I am stupid.
i’ve hardly ‘attacked’ you. like i stated above, the “raven” poster was who i had in mind when i used the term “kook”. you’re not a kook unless you post like one.
in my vast ignorance, i find the notion of “faith based research” absurd.
The only difference is that because of my personal beliefs I am governed by a different set of rules than someone who may not believe what I do…..However, I do try to look at evidence for anything objectively.
you can’t be objective and be governed by a ‘different set of rules’.
“…is able to ignore all of the many other misrepresentations and manipulations that are evident in so many, if not all, PRS TV show episodes.”
I wonder how YOU would fair if you had a million people with their own reasoning and agendas criticizing YOUR every move.
i would never have made a “docudrama” and trotted out real people with real, probably psychological, issues and pretended that i was somehow ’saving’ them. (people that were gathered up via craig’s list and myspace - NOT via “years of investigation” as PRS would have you believe)
I have seen examples of former clients giving testimony of how their lives have been bettered by PRS. Those testimonies are convieniently left off of most of the paranormal tabloid journalism sites aren’t they? Or at the very least they get burried in the back.
you’ve seen testimonies from the show’s participants (other than kelli) ?? where? i’d love to read them.
AE probably would also.
Even when someone has come out in the open and said “PRS helped me” people find ways of rationalizing it to fit their agenda. Yes I am faith based in my approach. You can ridicule me for it if it makes you feel better about yourself. I don’t look down on anyone for what they believe. I can at least look myself in the mirror and say I am honest in my approach.
PRS has helped LOTS of people — the guest stars and the commercial clients are at the top of the list.
other people that they’ve “helped”….i’d need to see lots of information what wasn’t provided in the PS episodes or anyplace else — not the least of which would be PROFESSIONAL medical opinions.
you’re entitled to your beliefs. everyone is. but don’t pretend that your BELIEFS are scientific research. that’s exactly what PRS has done and is getting ridiculed for all over the internet.
well, i messed up the HTML in that one — someone please feel free to correct!!! please!!!
just to clarify, brenton — your prior diatribe on me “attacking” youand calling you a kook is completely unfounded.
here is my exact quote from the other topic:
so if you get a further influx of PRS-praising, life-threatening kooks besides “raven”, you’ll know why…
please do enjoy your PRS fandom. don’t let us cynics get you down. just know that the only website that supports the “paranormal state” show without question is the PRS website.
that speaks volumes.
Ok, so I am willing to answer some of your questions as long as this stays civil. I am not here to get into a childish pissing contest. The fact is, I am not going to convince you and you are not going to convince me. I do like to discuss issues with people of different views because it makes me think and that makes me a better person.
There is nothing you can say that is going to get me to accept one sentence in this letter as truth. That has nothing to do with faith; in fact it is just the opposite. Anyone who overlooks the flaws in this letter, has much more faith than I ever have.
Unfortunatly, I don’t understand how to use quotes and bold text on this blog, so my reply may be hard to read. I apologize in advance.
“just to clarify, brenton — your prior diatribe on me “attacking” youand calling you a kook is completely unfounded.
here is my exact quote from the other topic:
so if you get a further influx of PRS-praising, life-threatening kooks besides “raven”, you’ll know why…”
Here is your exact quote I was talking about
“ooops, i guess you don’t need my warning about an influx of PRS-praising kooks (on another topic) since you have it here from the horse’s mouth. (brenton/faithbased is the poster who dredged the kelli/kirby thing up again at PRS and AE)”
That sounds to me like you are calling me a kook. Maybe I am confused by the fact that your posts span two topics. If that is the case then I stand corrected and apologize.
No matter what, you clearly go out of your way to insult me because of my faith.
“i don’t suppose that counts for “faking” evidence in someone’s faith-based POV.”
“in my vast ignorance, i find the notion of “faith based research” absurd.”
“you can’t be objective and be governed by a ‘different set of rules’.
“LOL! of course you don’t! faith-based research is so scientific. heh”
Let me just state for the record that I don’t want to get into a debate about religion as that is another one of those things we aren’t going to convince each other of. However, I do find your view on science and faith a bit limited. Are you insinuating that someone who believes in God cannot conduct legitimate scientific research? You do understand that most of the science you accept as fact came from men of faith right?
Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilei, Neils Bohr, Louis Pasteur, Antoine Laurent Lavoisier, Johannes Kepler, Nicolaus Copernicus, Werner Heisenberg, Linus Pauling, Erwin Schrodinger, Max Born, Christiaan Huygens, Carl Gauss, John von Neumann, Carl Linnaeus, James Clerk Maxwell are just a minute percentage of faith based scientific researchers. Many of the people developed the science paranormal investigators use for investigation. For instance, JC Maxwell is the father of the science of electromagnetic fields. Schrodinger did revolutionary work in wave mechanics. Huygens gave us most of what we know about wave theory of light. Without Neumann, we wouldn’t even be blogging on computers. These were all men of faith and there are many many more.
So, even if you find faith based research adsurd, science is founded on it. I find it absurd that anyone thinks one cannot have personal beliefs about spirituality and still be scientific. We are not all Bible thumping snake charmers. I don’t think I have offered to save anyone’s soul while I was here.
If you do not believe in God (and I am not saying you do or don’t), you have faith that your belief is the correct one. You are no different than me. You are just goverened by a different set of rules in your life than I am in mine. It doesn’t mean you can’t be scientific.
I have a certain set of beliefs just like you do, but it doesn’t make me stupid. I don’t see Jesus in potato chips and I don’t get visions from mother Mary.
I do find it odd that you think the way you do about me, but the fact that Kelli Ryan has a spirit guide that tells her to knitt sweaters is ace with you.
“you’ve seen testimonies from the show’s participants (other than kelli) ?? where? i’d love to read them.”
I am going to post that for you as soon as I finish this post if I am allowed to do that.
This post is getting too long so I am going to start a new one.
Ok so to answer a few more questions.
“How is your post not “Pro PRS” when you make comments like this:
“So, I am really starting to become a fan of this show. Why? Because I haven’t seen anyone criticized this harshly by sloppy journalists and pseudoscientists since Galileo Galilei. It seems internet paranormal police will stop at nothing to prove this show is fake, even if it means posting complete and utter crap. I have previously outlined one glaring example of this in my previous two blogs. I have yet another example here”
Let me clarify what I meant by this. When I went on to Wikipedia, I wasn’t a fan of PRS and I didn’t hate PRS. I was curious to know more about them and more about the show. It was simply a quest for information. That search led me here, which led me to Kirby’s site which led me to several other sites. I came here with an open mind. I thought I was going to read an unbiased letter from a former client about what when on behind the scenes. I didn’t. I went to other sites listed on Kirby’s blog and I saw the same thing. I saw very little real evidence of anything but I saw lots of people pretending like they had an airtight case. It is because of this, that I have become more of a fan of the PRS team. I did not come here to defend PRS. I came here because I had a “Hey, THIS is the evidence that Paranormal State faked a show” moment. You could have made that post about your grandma and I still would have come with the same questions. That is what I mean when I say I did not come here as a pro PRS person. I came here as a pro truth person. The truth, as I see it, is that you should have been a better journalist, observer, blogger or whatever than to post this making a claim that you caught the show faking an episode. You and I both know you didn’t. What you most likely caught was an angry medium who is pissed that she wasn’t showcased on A&E.
“Can you really say, that you don’t find anything suspicious about Chip Coffey’s 100% accuracy and his overly-dramatic antics?”
No, I do find it suspicious. To tell you the truth, that is what I was looking for when I stumbled on this page. I would like to know for sure if it is true when they say they don’t tell Chip anything. If it is true, then it is remarkable and scary. The common sense in me tells me that it is probably not true. I am skeptical of all “mediums” if you want to know the truth. That is why I would like to know more about it.
However, I don’t trust Kelli Ryan to tell me that Chip is faking. I don’t know if he is faking. I need better proof than that. At the moment I choose to remain skeptical and hopeful. I don’t really consider Chip to be part of PRS. He is part of the show. But, for the record, I do have questions but because I don’t have proof I will not accuse the man of being a fake. If I am wrong then I would be damaging a man’s credibility for no reason. I don’t have enough evidence to risk that.
There is something that I would like you to consider. If you are willing to accept Kelli Ryan’s testimony at face value, then have you ever considered that Ryan Buell and the PRS team don’t know that Chip has been fed info? Kelli said that the producer feeds the info directly to Chip. Is it possible that A&E does this without the PRS team knowing anything about it? That is a possibilty. Anything is possible at this point because no one has real proof.
“Can you really tell me that demonic possession is so prevalent throughout the U.S, that it’s a usual topic for the “Paranormal State” show? And that you find no suspicion in Ryan Buell’s religious belief and his association and admiration to Loraine Warren?”
Ryan has never hid the fact that he is a person of faith. That may or may not immediately taint your view of him. If that fact alone taints your view in anyway, then I think you are being narrow minded. It obviously doesn’t bother me. Now, if you are a religious person then you have been exposed the idea of the existence of demons more than someone who has not grown up in church. If by chance you feel you are a victim of a demonic spirit, you are probably going to look for someone who you know believes in demons. Now, most people don’t know there are thousands of paranormal research teams in the U.S. They only know there are 2 or 3 on tv. Out of those 3, which one would you most likely call? You are going to call PRS. So, do I think there is a sudden increase in demonic activity and PRS happens to be there? No, but I do think PRS is more likely to be contacted by someone who believes they are experiencing demonic activity more than any other organization except maybe the church.
Second, if I am a producer at A&E and I have 10 cases to choose from. I am going to choose demon possesion over “My uncle Earl won’t leave my garage” everytime.
Third, Ryan believes he had an experience with a demon when he was young. He may feel it is his calling in life to help people with the same experience that he had. He may choose demonic cases over other cases.
Any of these are viable reasons. The answer again is we don’t know. You have your view, I have mine. Neither are proven true or false.
Lastly we have “brenton has no comment about the “coal miner’s ghost handprint evidence” that PRS presented as proof of ghostly hauntings in THAT particular episode.”
Here is my take on that. Your assertion that the evidenced was faked depends on one crucial piece of evidence and that is the the medium put her hand on the wall. She says she didn’t. You believe she did. Again, you cannot prove or disprove her. You choose to believe she touched it, but what real evidence do you have?
That is what I don’t understand about you guys. You crucify people for not giving evidence and yet you put forth the thinnest evidence possible. Why are you not held to the same standard of proof as you want them to be?
Could she have touched the wall and caused the signature? Yes. Do you have proof that is what actually happened? No. However, I am willing to say on record that I don’t think they sat around and said, “Michelle, touch that wall so it looks like a ghost touched it and we will say we found evidence”. I just don’t buy that. I have seen no proof of that. The other client who posted a letter didn’t mention any trickery going on during her investigation.
Is it possible they have made mistakes reading various equipment. Of course. I promise you they have made mistakes. You make mistakes. I make mistakes. Do I think at any time they have put forth anything they know is fake? No. I believe they believed everything they said. Can I prove that anymore than you can prove they faked it? Nope.
As promised, here is a letter from a former client of PRS. Let me sate for the record, this was not posted to a pro PRS site. In fact, it was posted on an extremely anti-PRS site. I will not name the site here because I don’t know the rules of this blog. If you want the original article, you can find it on my blog. No, that is not me trying to get people to my blog. This is me being respectful.
Know that she knew she was posting on a hostile site. She knew she was going to get torn to pieces once the letter was posted.
I am sure this letter will get shredded in the forums as well, but I defy anyone to prove that this letter is less credible than the letter this site posted from Kelli Ryan.
My question is, if you are objective, why would you not have posted this letter with a title like “PRS Caught Actually Helping People”?
Here is the letter… Dawn is the mother from the episode “Lady Vampire”
Hi to you and all your readers,
I just happen to be the hysterical mother that this blog is about. Your blog was good. I guess all I can say is that to a degree, I do deserve to be raked over the coals. I have read a lot of cruel comments about me and my daughters suffering. I have been called a basket case, exploiting my daughter to being slapped with a well deserved lawsuit at the hands of a disgruntled father. At least you weren?t that cruel! I enjoyed the debate that you lay out there.
I do hate to hear how rough everyone is on PRS.
In my view, they are strong enough to take it all with a grain of salt. They are committed to their purpose and are truly passionate about it. I felt that their presence in our home did us a lot of good. It was a healing experience. Being on television though has not been good. I never wanted to be on television, but it came along with the help. I understood at the time. They were documenting their research. I was fine with that and knew I was leaving us exposed, but I was at the time desperate to get the help that I had been everywhere to get and no one until PRS offered us anything. I was at the end of my rope. Just so exhausted and my little girl just so scared to fall asleep. The pictures she drew about her nightmares would have sent any mother scrambling for answers and hope. The difference with me was answers were not good enough. Every doctor, expert?they all had a reasonable explanation. It?s just that those explanations did not solve the problem.
I finally decided to think outside of the box. For children, and in my child?s case, I took a chance on showing her in a big way that help was on it?s way and to just hold on. I started looking at it or trying to look at it all from her perspective. Children have such an imagination, and if imagination created this lady vampire, maybe imagination would send her away too, and if by some chance we got proof that it really was paranormal and got rid of it?that was fine, just make it stop. What I am trying to articulate is that the imagination is powerful. Why not use it for good instead of feeding fears?
Understand that she and I were battling this unknown for a year. We were exhausted. Lola was a happy child and very well balanced considering the dreams, night terrors and the proof in her drawings and clip art that she would collect. It would really break anyone?s heart.
Back to my point. When we walked outside the day PRS and crew arrived, we saw the big trucks, the bright lights and camera?s, the group themselves and all the kind and gentle people that poured into our home telling Lola that they believed her (finally the validation she needed) and they were all here to help her. She held my hand and looked up at me and said, ?Mommy, are they really all here for me?? She couldn?t believe that all of this was for her. She and I were so touched. I don?t care if it was real to them or not. We believed it and it helped bring our miracle about.
I guess it could be argued but I am not crazy. I am a professional. I am a single mom on my own and it is hard. But I can take comfort in knowing that in all Lola and I have endured through a bitter divorce, night terrors and then yes, a battle with her father that is another drama more appropriate for Oxygen than A&E, I never fell apart. Crying is not falling apart. Crying is feeling what is happening and not ignoring something that you don?t understand. We were facing a problem and dealing with it whether anyone agree?s with the how is irrelevant, really.
To be truthful, I still don?t really know what happened. I know that something did happen but the good news is that it stopped when the trucks drove away. The night Ryan put that helmet on and Lola across the house from him and he in silence, both experiencing the same thing at the same moment opened my eyes to the fact that there is another layer to the reality that we know. There is something else out there that we will never understand. It was not a hoax at all. That was all real. And now that it is over the main questions I had were answered. It was real, it wasn?t just her imagination and not my concern feeding more into her fear and secondly that it could be made to stop just by empowering yourself to believe you can make it stop. The what it was and how doesn?t even matter anymore. It?s just over and we sleep peacefully and she did so in that room afterwards.
In my mind it was successful in every way. They listened to us and took us seriously, they taught us how to take control, empowered us and we put it behind us. Lola, went in her room and yelled at whatever was there for 5 minutes and laid the law down. It was a release for her. To declare her space and say, I don?t want you here and you can?t stay. Wow. It has served as a lesson in life for us. For her at such a young age to be able to know, ?look what I overcame! If I can do that at 5 and 6 the rest is a piece of cake!? It is a great example to us and should be to anyone who watches what we went through and can benefit in some way and to apply the lesson to their own lives. If I am made a fool then it was well worth it. I gained a lot more in the healing of my daughter.
Finally, I will say to you because although I don?t agree with what you say, I want to use your forum and not all the others to defend myself and my decision. I am not excited about being on tv looking like a basket case but in the end so what. I know what happened and so does Lola. She is proud of me and the choice I made. Your forum is different and had asked good questions that are fair to ask and I respect you for that.
As far as my ex-husband, I will take a chance and tell you that it was because of him that it was pulled. I had kept him in the loop the entire time. He knew of every step I was taking to help our little girl and never really was any help. He didn?t take her to doctors, talk to counselors seek any remedy whatsoever other than taking my daughter to what was supposed to be a faith based light worker that ended up being a freaking witch doctor. That was the bad move I think. It scared the crap out of her. The honest truth is, he is a cruel person and it was about power and greed. What better way to take a child from her mother than to allow the daughter to suffer only to get the mother to ?give herself enough rope to hang herself with?. He is the one that exploited this baby. I told him everything and he seemingly supported what I was doing every step of the way. I was just foolish in believing that he was telling the truth. He sat back knowing for 3 months that PRS was coming to help. He sat back every time I invited him to review contracts, watch a sample episode, meet the people and even watch every moment of the experience. Never saying he disapproved. He chose not too and remained silent. Until the day it was to air. He shut it all down with a phone call from a concerned father, and had the audacity to lie to a judge and say he knew nothing about it and that I was delusional and convinced my daughter to play along with me. I kept a log of every correspondence with him about her night terrors, my journey to an answer and all the conversations I had with him about it all. I wasn?t so stupid after all. In a disgusting and shameful attempt he stood up in a court of law and lied and sought unspecified damages from A&E. But still, I had the truth and I kept good notes!
We are still battling but I will never allow anyone to use me, Lola or the court to extort money, get attention and exploit a terrible situation. And he is supposed to love her and once a long time ago, said he loved me too. I don?t know about what anyone else thinks but that is not love. Exposing yourself to ridicule and harsh consequences to get help and to get other mothers and parents talking. That?s love. My basic point is and has been ?What if?? What if there really are monsters under our children?s beds? What if there aren?t? But just like santa claus they believe with all of what they understand that yes, they are real. With that, as a parent, what is so wrong with embracing what they believe with them and conquering it as a family. Not make them lay in a room that terrifies them, telling them, ?it?s just your imagination?stop waking me up?go back to bed. How about the alternative. Confronting it as their protector. Saying out loud in front of the children, yelling at the monster under their bed or in their closets. Leave this child alone and get out of her room. Then imagine together that the monsters then leave. What is wrong with that?
I hope we help someone else in some small way. That it was all for something. That we turned a bad situation and made it good.
In the end, the show finally airing marks the death of the lady vampire, the end to a legal battle and a life re-emerging?my own.
I hope I have been some help. Feel free to ask me anything that you like as long as it is done in a respectful way, I am happy to discuss this.
Dawn
brenton, no matter how you try to justify it - you cannot use FAITH (religious faith) as a SCIENTIFIC tool. i’m not going to go thru your appeal to authority list of scientists who may or may not have been religious. the fact is, they would not have been able to have actual scientific study and verifiable, objective results using religious faith.
if that were the case, we’d all think the sun revolves around the planet like the church told everyone to believe.
scientific method is not and cannot be faith-based or it is not true scientific method.
re “kook”, yes i can see where you could have gotten confused. but that was not my intial post. you were definitely the person who dredged this all up again, but “raven” was the kook.
re my sarcastic comments about faith-based research being some sort of “insult” to you, see my first points above.
re proof that michelle belanger touched the walls - it was ON CAMERA and shown in the episode. that’s (partly) why it was so easy to dismiss this “proof” of a coal miner’s ghostly handprint being discovered on a wall.
how many episodes of PS have you seen? i’ve seen alot, though i must admit i stopped watching after that “i am six part deux” debacle. i’ve seen enough to know that this stuff is sheer melodrama and no substance - and even most of the paranormal community realizes this as well - which is probably what angers PRS supporters even more than the ridicule they may get from skeptics.
as for your letter from the vampire momma, i’d already seen. i saw the episode before it aired. and i think that, just like a lot of the “clients” featured on that show, there are PLENTY of unspoken psychological traumas and issues with that family that were manipulated and taken advantage of to produce a ratings-worthy scary demon show.
bleck. all the families with pre-existing trauma that have been featured on this show as objects of “paranormal” activity…sickening.
i’m just surprised with the level of attention you’ve paid to this one specific piece of dirt against this show. there are so many more. i don’t care if kelli is an attention-digging “psychic” ( so is every one they’ve had on their show to date, esp. chip) she provided information that was pertinent and verifiable. (the beer on the bed and the calls from production) do with her character what you will. i don’t think the ghosttheory guys care and i know i don’t — but your ignoring a whole lot of other issues and focusing on that ONE is rather suspect.
back to that letter - pay attention to the “ex-husband” paragraph.
according to this mom, who admits to not really having enjoyed the being on TV part, the dad had already “scared the crap” out of the little girl by taking her to a “freaky witch doctor”.
you’ve got a contentious divorce and a very young child experiencing the blatant anger and hatred(that paragraph drips with it)of two “battling” parents.
gee, i don’t suppose any of that could have had anything to do with the little girl’s imagining that there was a scary thing in the scary little room behind the door that enters right into her room.
IT IS NORMAL for children who AREN’T experiencing familial trauma to have nightmares and think that scary things are in their rooms. just imagine how much ramped up this behavior will be from a child who is having to deal with that much disruption and anger in her life….
ALL CHILDREN experience scary things - it’s part of childhood and the child’s inability to process information. i experienced scary things, did you? i thought barnabas collins lived in my closet and used to sleep with the covers around my neck.
boy, am i glad my mom didn’t put me on TV and call in PRS to vanquish him.
I can’t seem to find the episode mentioned above, has it been removed due to this letter? Just curious, has anything similar to this ever been reported about the Sci Fi show Ghost Hunters, the TAPS team?
Thank you
MKK
Mary, I know we had a discussion on that here somewhere, but I cannot find it for the life of me. Here is a link that had a breakdown of a questionable event from their last Halloween Live show. It’s rather interesting to watch!
http://www.cliqueclack.com/tv/2008/11/14/was-the-coat-pull-on-ghost-hunters-live-event-faked/
I’ve considered this show fiction since I first saw it. It’s ok for a little mindless entertainment, but it’s also somewhat disturbing that some people think it’s real.