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Can Religion and Extraterrestrial Life Coexist?

Submitted by on October 4, 2011 – 5:51 AM110 Comments | 2,842 views


As a Christian I follow a guide for life called the Bible. However, there is (or reputed to be) nothing written in the text supporting the existence of life outside Earth.

There was much spirited debate at the recent DARPA sponsored 100 Year Starship Symposium held in Orlando Florida this past weekend. Though extremely controversial the Symposium decided to tackle questions surrounding Religion and the existence of intelligent Alien life.

As part of the discussion of issues surrounding travel to other stars; the subject was broached regarding how the discovery of E.T. would affect religion as well as more defined questions such as, who did Jesus die for if there is in fact, life on other planets?

Guest Speaker Christian Weidemannof, philosophy professor at Germany’s Ruhr-University Bochum did a presentation called, philosophical and religious considerations of visiting other worlds.

The subject matter was debated vigorously with many valid points made as you will see in this exerpt from Space.com:

Are Aliens Part of God’s Plan, Too? Finding E.T. Could Change Religion Forever

ORLANDO, Fla. — The discovery of intelligent aliens would be mind-blowing in many respects, but it could present a special dilemma for the world’s religions, theologians pondering interstellar travel concepts said Saturday (Oct. 1).

Christians, in particular, might take the news hardest, because the Christian belief system does not easily allow for other intelligent beings in the universe, Christian thinkers said at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to discuss issues surrounding traveling to other stars.

In other words, “Did Jesus die for Klingons too?” as philosophy professor Christian Weidemannof Germany’s Ruhr-University Bochum titled his talk at a panel on the philosophical and religious considerations of visiting other worlds.

“According to Christianity, an historic event some 2,000 years ago was supposed to save the whole of creation,” Weidemann said. “You can grasp the conflict.”

Here’s how the debate goes: If the whole of creation includes 125 billion galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars in each, as astronomers think, then what if some of these stars have planets with advanced civilizations, too? Why would Jesus Christ have come to Earth, of all the inhabited planets in the universe, to save Earthlings and abandon the rest of God’s creatures?

Aliens and religion can still coexist

Weidemann, a self-described protestant Christian, suggested some possible solutions. Perhaps extraterrestrials aren’t sinners, like humans, and therefore aren’t in need of saving. However, the principle of mediocrity — the idea that your own example is most likely typical unless you have evidence to the contrary — casts doubt on this, he pointed out. [10 Wildest Ways to Contact Aliens]

“If there are extraterrestrial intelligent beings at all, it is safe to assume that most of them are sinners too,” Weidemann said. “If so, did Jesus save them too? My position is no. If so, our position among intelligent beings in the universe would be very exceptional.”

Another possibility is that God incarnated multiple times, sending a version of himself down to save each inhabited planet separately.

However, based on the best guesses of how many civilizations we might expect to exist in the universe, and how long planets and civilizations are expected to survive, God’s incarnations would have had to be in about 250 places simultaneously at any given time, assuming each incarnation took about 30 years, Weidemann calculated.

Religious food for thought

If God truly became corporeal and took human form when Jesus Christ was born, this wouldn’t have been possible, Weidemann said.

Rev. Thomas Hoffmann, a protestant pastor in Tulsa, Okla., said that the issues Weidemann raised were “really on target.”

“If life is discovered elsewhere, unfortunately we need to have more discussion about it,” Hoffmann said. “I think this is a very robust conversation we need to have.”

While the discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence would likely spur profound soul-searching for people of all faiths, many of the world’s religions might have an easier time accommodating the knowledge than Christianity, said theologist Michael Waltemathe, also of the Ruhr-University Bochum.

“It seems to be only a problem of Christianity,” Waltemathe said.

In Islam, for example, Muhammad was a prophet, or messenger of God, not God incarnate, so additional prophets could have simultaneously visited other planets to save extraterrestrial species, he said. And Hindus already believe in multiple deities, so accommodating more to guard over alien civilizations may not be difficult.

Ultimately, though, the discovery of intelligent aliens isn’t likely to pose a serious crisis for Christianity, either, Hoffmann said. After all, the religion has survived challenging scientific revelations before.

“Religion is essentially conservative,” Hoffmann told SPACE.com. “You can put almost anything in its face and it’s going to shake out a little bit, and then it’s going to drop right back down. We’ve seen this happen historically.”

Source: Space.com

Many Christians will tell you that if there were Alien civilizations then God would have surely told us about it in the Bible. My response has always been, why? Why does He need to tell us about anything happening outside of our world? The plain answer is, He doesn’t! At least that’s my perception and it makes perfect sense to me.

I’m sure there are a multitude of subjects that God never discusses in His Book and to assume that He would is not only presumptuous but arrogant in my opinion.

I see several possible scenarios where Religion and E.T. can coexist just fine.

Finally, consider the book of Ezekiel. Frankly it’s no stretch that you would draw specific conclusions from that text. Of course it may be otherwise but the wording certainly leaves you with a fairly obvious impression.

As I’m sure this is going to bring about some heated debate, please respect each other while making your point, thank you.

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  • David

    @Henry

    Just because you lack knowledge, though you claim you seek it, doesn’t mean the Bible is false. I can argue every single little detail in the Bible is not a mistake, contradiction, or going against science. Please learn at least a little before you stating your opinions and misconceptions as absolutes.

    First off, you can’t account for anything. Your world view is unstable, as you can’t account for truth except when using my world view. In your lack of truth, you make up theories. Since you don’t have a foundation, all your theories all apart and can’t hold up. Second, I don’t need to prove Gods existence because it is evident and everyone knows it.

    Since my world view has absolutes, what I just said can hold up. Since you don’t have absolutes, what you say doesn’t have any value to it. You can complain and say I’m being illogical, but you can’t explain to me using your world view as to where logic comes from. Your world view doesn’t account for absolutes, laws of logic, laws of mathematics, laws of science, or absolute morality. These are immaterial. That means they can’t be touched. They can be observed, acted on, but never physically accessible. They can’t be altered. Not only that, they are universal. They are the same at my work and at your residence. They are they same in this galaxy and all other galaxies. Now, since you can’t account for their existence, their origin, or their destination, you can’t account for anything. Enjoy using my world view.

    Since God is eternal, I can easily account for them. God created time. He created matter, space, and time. He was in the begining of the formation of the Earth, and indeed, before it since he made it.

    Noahs ark has two of each kind of land and air animal. Not insects. This is easily true because you don’t have to take all the grown up animals. You can take the little ones. Since most animals are the size of a small sheep, this isn’t illogical.

    Now, please explain to me how evolution can work, with the definition of micro evolution being observable while the other 5 definitions are not. Cosmic evolution? Chemical evolution? Enroll for some extra science classes next semester or learn to use Google.

    @Scott

    Matthew 25:46

    Emptiness and darkness, punishment for refusing to the believe in him despite clear evidence. Torment. Separation from their creator forever with no hope. He’ll will be thrown into a lake of fire, as said in Revelation.

  • David

    Hell, not he’ll :)

  • David

    If you want to prove the Bible wrong, you should first remove the amazing miracle or Jesus resurrecting from the dead. Animals traveling continents? Water being parted? Ehh. A man rising from death? Not something so easily to admit. Not only that, he is fully God and also fully man. Your arguments should focus in this area, as this just happened 2000 years ago! Try to deny that :P

  • Anonymous

    Wow, David, so you believe that every Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Dogon, Aboriginal Australian, American Indian, and every other faith, then include agnostics, and atheists. all of them believe in God and admit he is “it?”
    Actually the majority of the world do not follow your rigid little faith.
    Try Googling it.

  • David

    @noname

    I didn’t say they know him and know what he expects. They are without excuse. Then they choose whether to pursue him or not those who seek God in truth will find him. Also, answer how you account to absolutes that you selectively discarded and didn’t comment on. Present your world view and account for absolutes if you want to be taken seriously.

  • http://www.ghosttheory.com Scott McMan

    You’re in the wrong place for spewing hatred and venom Chuck Darwin.

    You are welcome to your opinion, however, I’d appreciate it if you could deliver said views in a more mature and appropriate manner.

  • Anonymous

    ?? Who are you referring to?
    Frankly there seems quite a bit on both sides/

  • paranormal puppy

    I dont want to take sides in this discussion. However looking at this from a christans point of view. It would seem that Christ may not of died for everyone, just earth. In Christan views Christ died for us not for other worlds because we were born of original sin. That goes way back to the first sin that was ever made in the garden of Eden which falls upon every child born to man. In Christan teachings Christ had to come to provide a way of allowing man to enter Heaven without original sin. That means tht none of our world would exist as we would never have started having sex and no one would ever have been born to Adam and Eve. God had to change the rules because we theoretically screwed up. If this did not happen on other worlds then theoretically Christ has no one he needs to save. We all go to Heaven anyway problem solved.
    I am not preaching here just offering a point of view

  • Anna Marquess

    I dont see why this has to be an issue, we are all over thinking this. You can be a person of faith and no one would ever know (me) because im not screaming it from the roof tops and im a pretty openminded person, that I am a Christian. If an alien presented itself why should that rock your faith? The Bible/ Torah was written thousands of years ago, of course it is not going to have components of dealing with alien life because that was never an issue to anyone at that time. If Spock or some dude from Avatar presented himself to me at this moment I would have like 3 million questions one of which being “take me with you this place kind of sucks” but none of those questions would be does got exist. I do however sometimes wonder if earth was made as a joke or god lost a bet with an angel or after six days he just went ” Not what I had originally thought of but let’s just see what happens”

  • Anonymous

    Anna, the Bible teaches explicitly that the only things God created to be intelligent are Angels, Humans, and Animals. God created the Earth before the rest of the universe, specifically to house his creations. So if you look at it from that perspective, then the existence of intelligent life from anywhere other than earth is contradictory to God’s Word.

  • David

    Truth has been spoken on this page!!!

  • ken

    Anonymous,

    If God created planet earth for the sole purpose of housing His remarkable creations, they why did he allow the astroid to wipe out the dinosaurs? Why is he allowing hurricanes and earthquakes to kill people? It’s like the owner of a museum being OK with people vandalizing the priceless displays.

    And to say that earth came before the sun and other stars does not comply with science. Read Astronomy books for the correct answer concerning the formation of the solar system.

  • David

    @ken

    No asteroid ever wiped out the dinosaurs from the earth. Dinosaurs lived with man. Natural disasters ravage the earth because man sinned and corrupted the natural order. Did you know that every animal was a vegetarian before the fall?

    God isn’t OK with what is happening on earth. He(God the Father) sent a Savior(God the son) so that those who believed in his name and accept him as LORD will have a hope that God will restore and make perfect what we humans destroyed and corrupted. It’s our fault, but we now trust that he will make all things new.

    Earth came about just like it says in the Bible. Believe what you want, but it’s your belief. You believe in what man says, even though man wasn’t there to see it. I believe what God says, even though I wasn’t there to see it. Science explains what it tests and sees. Since science didn’t see the universe made/created, science doesn’t tell you anything. Don’t confuse science with belief.

  • John

    Im all for people to have a right to practice their religion, i my self being brought up a catholic, but people that make rediculous and uneducated claims that dinosaurs and man lived at the same time are just downright ignorant of reality. EVIDENCE/PROOF exist which shows that dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago and that humans have only come into existance in the last 200,000 years. We know this as fact because it has been proven beyond doubt. I hate when people take the bible and use it to try and deny reality. Tangible facts and evidence vs a 2,000 year old book that has no tangle facts and evidence ? use your common sense, please.

    Think about it, rationally, a book written 2000 years ago, how do you know that whats in it is correct ? dont say faith or you know it in your heart. You cant use faith and personal feelings to defy logic and reality, well you can if you really want to, as many on here are doing, but it wont change the way things really happened, Will it now ?

  • Scottishboy

    Some of the comments on here bewilder me. I feel sorry for many of you, trying to claim that dinsaurs and humans coexisted. Unless any of you have Phds in Palentology and Geology then you cant really make such claims. Its just beyond belief that people buy into such utter garbage. By all rights, pray to god, go to church, whatever. But dont be brainwashed by what others, most likely paresnts, have hammered into your head since birth, i understand that mentally going against something you have believed all your life seems difficult, but please, your logic and common sense. Oh and by the way, if there really was an almight infallible perfect god, then why would he create somthing as imperfect as us violent, moody and destructive humans?