When Is A UFO Something More…Or Something Less?

Posted by Scott McMan | August 22, 2013 37

Over the bow of the Navy’s USS Wasp amphibious assault ship we can see what looks to be a “UFO” rising out of the sea or maybe just flying in to take a look at what America has in the way of defense.

But this UFO is not the mystery we may think it is. That’s because it’s not a UFO at all, but an advanced Marine fighter jet.

Here’s the low down on the Lockheed Martin F-35B Joint Strike Fighter from the Daily Mail:

Eerie UFO-like footage shows the U.S. Marines’ latest high-tech jet

With a globe of light illuminating each wingtip, and a fierce tongue of fire spouting from beneath, this hovering aircraft has been compared to an extraterrestrial visitor.

It is the latest test of the high-tech warplane that the U.S. and its allies are funding to maintain the West’s aerial dominance far into the 21st century.

A video shows the Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II making its first night landing at sea, using its vertical landing capabilities to gently touch down on the deck of the USS Wasp.

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The F-35B Lightning is the short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) variant of the radar-evading Joint Strike Fighter – a collaborative development funded by the U.S. and eight of its major allies.

The jet combines advanced stealth features with fighter speed and agility, with its STOVL capabilities enabling it to operate from a wider range of ships.

The landing shown in the video was carried out by U.S. Marine Corps test pilot Lieutenant Colonel C.R. ‘Jimi’ Clift, a Harrier pilot by training.

‘It all went extremely well,’ he said. ‘Eight successful landings in one night, so we’re tracking favorably along the learning curve.’

During the 18-day long ship trials, which began on August 14, two F-35Bs were to conduct a series of tests to determine the aircraft’s suitability for sea-based operations.

They also included the first take-off and landing at sea by an RAF test pilot, Squadron Leader Jim Schofield, with the UK earmarking £250billion for a fleet of the jets due to be in operation by 2018.

Squadron Leader Schofield said: ‘It’s exciting to see the integration of this new plane with the amphibious assault ships.

‘After a year leading up to this evolution, it’s awesome to get here and start. And the crew has been especially accommodating and efficient at running these tests smoothly’

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Captain Erik Etz, Director of Test & Evaluation for the F-35 Naval Variants, added: ‘It’s a significant milestone for the F-35 programme.

‘We’re providing an envelope that will be utilised by Marine Corps and U.K. aviators when they go out and employ the aircraft in a real environment.

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For more on this story, head over to the Daily Mail…

With so many possibilities out there, UFO sightings just don’t have the luster they once enjoyed. I’ve gotten to the point where I all but ignore reports of “lights” in the sky. A distant orange dot means very little and the claims I’ve read don’t impress me either.

While there are those who make clear what they are referencing, lets be honest, most who report “UFOs” equate them with ET craft of some kind. I sift through 100+ reports a month and it’s extremely rare that one catches my eye enough to spend any time examining it. Unfortunately, a quick run through Image Error Analysis eliminates 95% of those and further analysis brings that number to roughly 99%. If you’re paying attention, that leaves a grand total of 1 in 100 as unexplained. Remember that word, “unexplained” because that “one” may not be anything otherworldly either.

With all the drones and other advanced aircraft flying around, it’s almost impossible to differentiate from a distance, especially at night. Sightings tend to happen in a very short period of time and frankly, if I saw the F35 from say 2 miles away, it would look a lot like a triangular craft of some sort. Many military aircraft can (from our vantage point) imitate classic saucers or “UFO” configurations (whatever that means) from the right viewing angle. This problem has also worked it’s way into the private sector with RC aircraft. As we’ve already reported (see associated content), they can now attach LEDs to large RC jets, etc…which again, gives a jaded perception in many instances.

This begs the question: Is it getting more difficult to ascertain the possible origin of a UFO? Everyone wants to believe they are witnessing something made on a distant planet, but I think we are getting to a point in our history where ET may have to fly down and park at the local high school in order to be accurately identified.

I am of the belief that there are advanced races on distant stars, however, I have yet to see anything that would convince me of their visitation to Earth. Then again, I would never assume that ET hasn’t been here as some photos do raise questions. In fact of the tens of thousands of UFO photos taken over the years, I’ve seen possibly 10 that raise my eyebrows. One such photo was taken in Northcliff, South Africa in 1963. It was taken by a real estate agent, out photographing homes for sale. Below we see that photo as well as a close up of the object/s in question.

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As we can all see, the clarity of that picture is pretty decent considering the era. The funny thing is, as we’ve advanced in technology, our photos seem to get more and more blurred. Hmm, don’t you think that’s somewhat strange? If this real estate agent can take such a photo in 1963, come on! Even our smartphones have HD cameras on them.

Finally, as much as I claim to be on the fence, I have been guilty of sensationalizing UFO stories in past articles. If I see a shred of possibility…..and lets face it, I have a responsibility to allow the readers to make up their own minds, even if I’m not convinced.

I’ll see you at the next Lincoln High parking lot stake out. Oh and don’t forget to smudge your camera lens.

Thanks to the Daily Mail and UFO Casebook for providing content for this article.

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  • BW

    Without making any assumptions about what the object in the S Africa photo might be, it is neat how it appears to have a field around it and seems to push a bow wave in front(?) of it.

    Cheers

    BW

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    I kind of think the image is a little too clear, for being at a distance with obvious atmospheric conditions that should be causing distortion, it seems to be in better focus that the roof line in the foreground, or anything else in the picture for that matter.

  • Rmon

    It looks like it has been drawn. Looks too good.

  • Rmon

    Scott, it is all but true that the photographic quality has degraded over the last couple of decades.
    Even back in the beginning of the 20th century, the quality was very high. The images were simply larger, hence more detail.
    The small ccd in a phone is not very large, which degrades directly the sharpness dramatically. No matter how many megapixels it has, its quality is defined by the optics (diameter and focal length: F#).
    That’s why most photo’s of ufo’s nowadays look like crap!

  • Scott_McMan

    You know, you make a lot of sense. I am very versed in microscope optics and can remember having discussions with my boss who thought by having more powerful objectives, you could see smaller nano subjects clearly. It took me a long time to convince him that optics are optics and there are limitations no matter how much power there is.

    Thanks for triggering that thought.

  • Scott_McMan

    Hey, I’m just happy you guys read that far! LOL!

  • Steve M.

    Looks like someone was having too much fun with their Honeycomb cereal.

  • BW

    Except that said cereal wasn’t made until 1965, heh.

    If I had to guess at a commonplace object used in a double exposure, I’d guess it might be a button.

    Cheers

  • Ronaldus Evers

    Orbs travelling together.

  • LaszloZoltan

    I googled the pic for a story and found one on ufoevidence.org (http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/africa/Photo178.htm).

    So this pic showed up after processing a bunch of real estate photos being taken, not something shot while being observed…I d say this is an air bubble on the negative during processing, the trailing “air wave” we see is just a flow of chemicals during processing, the fact the flow is horizontal giving the impression the thing is flying at significant speed is coincidental with the horizontal direction film strip negatives were typically rolled at the time.

    There is more intriguing photographic evidence out there. It is much easier to be a ufo skeptic.

  • BW

    Interesting comment. The image also appears to have some other photo-development artifacts such as the crescent-shaped light colored object that appears to be facing the “bow wave” of the “object”.

    Cheers

  • Scott_McMan

    That was one of my first conclusions as well. However, it certainly is intriguing to look at and who knows? I can say one thing, I’ve never seen another photo like it. I’d be happy to look at any pictures with similar processing artefacts if you can find them.

  • LaszloZoltan

    another quick google find

    http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/photomicrography/bwprocessingerrors.html

    talks about bubbles and crescents with examples on the negative, kinda demonstrates the point IMHO

    (dont know why the links dont show completely- but seem to be working)

  • Scott_McMan

    Laszlo, those examples cover the entire negative. Again, I have yet to see anything like that photo and to address the time of discovery, the real estate agent was concentrating on the house, not the sky.

    I’m in no way trying to make it more than it is, It’s just very unique.

    Great to see you investigating though. I love it when you guys do research! Keep questioning, it keeps us on our toes.

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    Strangely reminiscent of this

  • Shane Schuller

    I think the acronym has changed a while ago – to IFO – it’s identified. People have been visiting our Sol system for thousands of years and left clues for us to figure it out. All religions have reported these visitations – and misinterpreted for angels and gods – nephilim and benai Elohim are these human aliens and there offspring. Offspring between earth women and human aliens are nothing new. Elizabeth Klarer (South African) shared her story regarding her son she had with a guy from alpha Centuri.

    Our neighboring stars – Alpha Centuri, Barnard star, Tau Ceti and so on are being spoken about by contactees who claimed these guys came from there. Is it impossible – No!
    Commonly some people would assume that it being much to distant – that’s because they relate it to a distant constellation, example Tau Ceti our close Neighbour is in the direction of cetus constellation. Which is probably what our ancients attempted to explain – depicting the water dragon/serpent and perhaps even the reason referred to them as the amphibious/serpent beings.

    History is full of these sightings

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    Barnard’s shows no sign of planets. While there is questionable evidence of planets around Tau Ceti such have not been confirmed, and Alpha Centauri is a binary star system with a third neighbor, Proxima Centauri near enough to be gravitationally influenced by the pair. There is an Earth-sized planet in orbit around Alpha B, but leading analysis of its orbit and the heat in the system indicates that the surface of that planet is likely molten rock.

    Small to zero chance for life in any of those systems.

    History is full of people telling stories about mystical creatures. Modern idiots like Giorgio Tsoukalos, and admitted liars like Erich von Däniken have tried to reinvent those myths into stories of alien contact by taking them out of context and forcing modern interpretations on them. Actual evidence pretty much always discredits their claims.

  • Shane Schuller

    Henry you were doing fine until you reffered to ‘theorists’ as liars and idiots. Lets keep in mind – your limited understanding on a ‘theory’ about the orbit of a planet, questionable planets orbiting Tau Ceti – is also just a theory.

    As far as the AA theory – they offer a far more convincing theory than mainstream (textbook taught) archeologist. In fact the mainstream theories often contradict each other – evolution and aerceology. But that’s a different subject.

    There is ample evidence suggesting human alien contact occurred in our distant past. Modern engineering can’t even replicate some of this evidence – megalithic structures – without the help of heavy commercial cranes and Cnc machines. That’s just one fact.

  • Shane Schuller

    As for hybrid beings depicted in ancient texts – they were obviously describing constellations and the equinox – solstice events. Their stories sounded a bit far fetched but when matched to constellations it all makes much more sense. I’m releasing a book based on this. Don’t get me wrong – I don’t fully subscribe to AA theory – therefore releasing a book based on our ancients, and their much more advanced than us today, intellect.

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    Daniken has admitted his books are fiction, as opposed to when they were published. That makes him a liar. Many of the more recent theories are based on his “research.” That makes the people who continue to support him idiots and fools.

    No. Planets around Tau Ceti at all is just a theory, until confirmed. Your suggestion that they must be proved to not exist is highly flawed, and proposes that everything exists until proven otherwise, which is to further suggest that our perception and our opinion of the Universe shapes reality until opposing proof remakes that reality. The Earth was not flat until proven round, it was round the whole time despite what many people felt they observed. Reality exists distinct of our perceptions of it.

    Megalithic structures have been recreated by humans using nothing more than the tools available to the makers in their own time, from Stone Henge, to The Moai of Easter Island. I would happily address any particular evidence you would like to present.

  • Shane Schuller

    You make very bold claims Henry. And you twist things too.

    Calling people fools and idiots don’t make you sound anymore intelligent. So now I’m going to make you the fool. Show me evidence that Baalbek, Pyramids, and Puma Punka ruins have been duplicated with such accuracy using stone tools and reed boats to transport 440 ton blocks.

    I’ve done my homework on this subject and I’m very curious as to how you earned your confidence to make such bold claims. Furthermore the work of Daniken is based on QUESTIONS and not answers. I take it you haven’t really looked into his work?

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    Watch NOVA.
    You continue to propose that anyone must prove aliens did not build these structures, or that alien technology was not used. There is no burden of proof on that. We have found the tools that were used, found unfinished blocks in quarries associated with many of the prehistoric megalithic structures. We have zero evidence that any alien species exists beyond opinions that masquerade as theory, let alone that they have visited Earth. Your “God in the gaps” argument is invalid. Because questions exist about early human accomplishment, it does not automatically follow that the answer is aliens, simply because that may be a popular or convenient answer.

    Tsoukolas has since recanted his opinion that the stones of Puma Punka were cut with alien or high technology:

    “The blocks at Puma Punku were NOT cut with laser nor plasma tools… I’ve also learned that the H Blocks do not come in the dimensions we thought they came in… They are NOT (!) pre-fabricated blocks (an opinion I’ve maintained for years which I now have to jettison and revise).”

    He admits repeatedly making claims about dimensions he had no knowledge of, yet is considered an “expert.” If this is the standard of expertise that exists in your field, then good luck to you, or are you still trying to deny that von Daniken has publicly admitted that his books are fraud? Or that he has served prison time for fraud?

  • Shane Schuller

    Firstly I think it’s important for the readers if you be more specific regarding Von Daniken’s fraud. It was tax evasion. Therefore his prison time. You are taking it out of context.

    As for Puma Punka. As I’ve said, in many blogs, that our ancients were way more advanced than we imagine today. And suggest that CNC was required to replicate such work. You pointing out plasma and laser. That’s not right because Cnc masonry cutting or waterjet (which is what i suspect due to its 3D cutting ability) would be suited. Plasma cutting is used on metal, laser on metal and other, unless we’ve developed laser with high enough power to penetrate stone that large. Which I doubt.

    Std tools cannot cut equidistant holes as accurate as found on those blocks? I’d love to see some proof of this. And I’d love to see blocks like this cut without accurate measuring devices that would ensure they stack into each other like Lego. And more so how they squared these blocks with primitive tools. Any engineer will tell you differently. Perhaps not suggest alien technology but will tell you it’s impossible with primitive tools. Again I’m saying our ancients were way more advanced than we think – they had technology – better than ours today to pull this off.

  • Shane Schuller

    Regarding Von Daniken – his work was based on the religious work he learned as a child. He found that angels and gods were not as presented in church. Like many thousands of other people discovered this fact too. I myself struggle accepting evangelical teachings of gods and angels because I’m aware that genesis paints a picture of capricious gods and angels. Now ask yourself, if these were angels or gods, why did they indulge in sexual relations with women on earth, and why were they considered fallen angels?

    Benai Elohim and nephilim are mentioned. Job 6 makes it very clear that sexual intervention was an issue back then. Would you say it’s metaphor or myth? Because I say that the bible is nothing but a history book, like every other religious book available. Evidence have been found to tie up to events written in bible. Whether we wanna believe these supernatural beings were aliens or some other visitors from perhaps more advanced continents on the globe back then – doesn’t matter. What matters is that we overlooking history’s story telling us that an advanced civilization existed before us – even more advanced than us today. With modern engineering we know what it takes to build a megalithic structure – so lets be smart and savvy this. We know what it takes to build a Swiss watch – so lets be smart and understand what it took to build the antekythera device. Lets first get past that technological misunderstanding before we assume alien intervention – is what I’m saying.

  • Shane Schuller

    To reference my claim that bible is a history book and nothing more – the event of Moses did occur and that actually confirms the collapse of eqyptian economy (but that’s another discussion)

    http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    We know where the workers who built the pyramids live, know what they ate, know that they received health care, know some of their names, and know they were not slaves.

    Even the Pope admits the fallacies of the bible and that it does not represent history, but should be taken a parable.

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    “…if these were angels or gods, why did they indulge in sexual relations
    with women on earth, and why were they considered fallen angels?”

    Because it is fiction. Until you prove otherwise, you cannot simply accept that the bible or other mythologies are fact. There is significant difference between a swiss watch, with nearly microscopic parts that require refining and tempering and machining of metals for which there exists no evidence any of these cultures were capable, and the carving of stone blocks.

    Stone is an adequate tool for the cutting of stone. The only difference between how they did it then and how we do it now is that in their time it took more time. They were not working as contractors on a bid, there were no issues of profit margins. It seems evident you have never worked in any craft that requires use of tools or your own hands. The sort of precision shown in all of these structures requires very simple tools, we have found many of them, and a lot of labor and time.

    You want to make the claim they had advanced technology. I say again, show it to me. Show me the machines, not the presumed results. These people show an obvious desire to build things that last, yet their machinery their high tech CNC machines have disappeared without a trace. Their means of conducting energy disappeared. The technology they must have developed building up to the level you claim they demonstrate is gone. No metal tools, no foundations for foundries, or lumber mills, or masonry outside of what has been found. Their people lived mud huts, or log or sod, often with open roofs to allow the smoke from firepits to escape.

    Show the infrastructure that must have existed to support the industry you claim.

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    I am not taking von Daniken’s Fraud out of context, he has admitted publicly that “Chariots of the Gods” was fiction. That is fraud. I added to that statement that he has served jail time for fraud. Admittedly I was rushed for time when I added that and was unspecific. The fact that it was for tax evasion, and that he has a history of criminal activity (shall we add all of those points here as well) in no way offers support for the claims made in his fabricated texts.

    I did not point out plasma or laser, that was Tsoukalos’ admission to his own ignorant previous claims. That is why it was in quotation marks.

    So show us the evidence of that technology? Not the proposed results of it. Show us the equipment, the power plants that operated it, the mines where the ore came from, the designs. These people illustrated a great deal of their lives, carved in stone, yet not a single image of a CNC machine. They built large impressive cities, yet had no conduits for the transfer of electricity, no paved roads, no dammed rivers for hydro, or coal burning power plants.

    You want to point to the results of their supposed technology, without offering one piece of evidence of the machinery.

  • Shane Schuller

    Henry that’s exactly my point regarding proof. You or any can’t product solid demonstrations that stone tools are capable for producing such accuracy. It’s impossible. There are so many who’ve tried – YouTube vids all over showing their vain attempts and none to date can reproduce WITH ACCURACY. Or am I wrong?

    And again lets ask how they produced the antekythera device without a lathe or some kind of milling machine? Handwork – no way.

    You look at the Giza pyramid’s polished granite – with such accuracy snot even light passing through – as Chris Dunn points out – is simply impossible that hand tools or hand work could’ve achieved this mastery.

    How is it even possible to move a 44ton block, lift in place, and still be so certain that it would fit like Lego – without some CAD preparation?

  • Shane Schuller

    Am I suggesting aliens did this – it’s not impossible. But no, I’m saying that our ancients definitely being misunderstood. They were way more advanced. Anyone producing theories as to stone tools being the method is as rudimentary as I suggest Cnc work. So I can’t show you pics or depictions of machines back then – the same way you or anyone can prove that stone tools pull this off. However if anyone understands engineering they’d understand that my suggestion, along with others, is much more plausible than current theories claiming primitive tools.

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    Without supporting evidence of that engineering, or the infrastructure necessary to develop it, your claims have no basis. Do we lack some of the knowledge that our ancestors did? Certainly. Most people today could not manage or even understand a 19th century American frontier lifestyle. But that same lack of knowledge equally argues that they had experience and methods of applying the tools we know them to have had in creation of their structures, and that argument is far more legitimate and supportable than to suggest they possessed a level of technology for which there is no support in evidence of the infrastructure required to develop it.

    “How is it even possible to move a 44ton block, lift in place, and still
    be so certain that it would fit like Lego – without some CAD preparation?

    A template applied to both sides, a lot of people and time. But you are welcome to show me their cranes, or any tangible evidence of their levitation technology, and all of the technology that built up to that.
    Show me that the technology existed in their daily lives and they did not cook over open fires, or in clay ovens.

    A people that go to the lengths they did to create permanent structures, do not just chose to leave the rest of their creations where they will rust away to nothing. And that would not happen anyway.”

  • Shane Schuller

    “Stone is an adequate tool for the cutting of stone.”
    And just how far can you get using stone?
    Steel chisels require constant sharpening. Have you ever drilled into stone using a steel bit? Unless your bit is correctly designed for it you will achieve a hole. Have you tried drilling a hole in granite – using granite as your bit? Please demonstrate this.

    “The only difference between how they did it then and how we do it now is that in their time it took more time.”
    This is not supporting your argument – but you already know that.

    “They were not working as contractors on a bid, there were no issues of profit margins.”
    So why were they mining gold? What were these mine all over our planet? Where is all that gold today?

    “It seems evident you have never worked in any craft that requires use of tools or your own hands.”
    You are highly mistaken Henry. I’ve been in the fabrication business (my own) for 22yrs. I’ve worked with metal and Cnc machines. I’m experienced in core drilling too. You welcome to view my profile. For over five years I’ve been building Cnc robotic machine as a sideline hobby. Would you like a lesson or two? Forgive me for sounding mordant but you have no idea what you talking about regarding engineering if you assume our ancients pulled these things off with limited stone tools. In fact it’s laughable in the engineering community and no time in the world can bring on that amount of accuracy. Every project requires planning, modeling, skilled labor, management and equipment. And that is a fact in this business, pyramids or current buildings.

    “The sort of precision shown in all of these structures requires very simple tools, we have found many of them, and a lot of labor and time.”
    Sorry Henry but you are VERY wrong. And I urge you to speak to skilled people, professionals vs vs stone carving artists – see what you come up with.

    I think it is important that you look into stone cutting and the necessary tooling required for accuracy before we continue this part of the subject otherwise it’s moot.

    “We know where the workers who built the pyramids live, know what they ate, know that they received health care, know some of their names, and know they were not slaves.”
    Really is that a fact? Yet no one can produce supportable evidence as to the accuracy they achieve – other than people like Chris Dunn and others. It doesn’t matter whether they were slaves or not, it doesn’t answer the supposed mystery of these engineered skills.

    “Even the Pope admits the fallacies of the bible and that it does not represent history, but should be taken a parable.”
    As for the pope – is this your validation? What gives him clout to support your argument? for a very long time people are visiting egypt for mount Sinai – how come the pope didn’t set this record straight? I’ve shown you a link of the real discovery – claimed the bible being a history book yet you leaving that fact out of this. I am not a Christian nor do I have any labelled religion yet I accept the history in these books. Because I’m not bias and see it for what it is. If the Moses story was told by clergymen, sounding like a fairy tale, then that’s their mistake, because it was a very true story and the proof has been presented. There’s been other confirmed stories as well. So if these confirmed stories are good enough to support an argument, then the idea that nephilim and Elohim must have some value. Similar to Rig Vedas, Quran, and old texts that tell stories of these beings. How come they all tell a similar story even through they were geographically distant? And! different time frames.

    “you cannot simply accept that the bible or other mythologies are fact.”
    I can because I’ve learned something and present a different answer than the mainstream ones.

    “There is significant difference between a swiss watch, with nearly microscopic parts that require refining and tempering and machining of metals” exactly my point – it requires all this, therefore the antekythera device is an “out of place” artifact. Machined it was.

    “for which there exists no evidence any of these cultures were capable, and the carving of stone blocks.”
    I’m not disputing your fact that no evidence exist – and I never did this. My point is clear saying that whatever finds their are required skill and! Equipment that was more advanced or like ours today. Can I support that statement? Yes with our known methods today, and that those who’ve attempted the primitive fail.
    Have we found any equipment? No!
    Have we found the answer by using primitive stone tools? No
    Can we replicate (say Puma Punka) blocks? Yes but only with Cnc precision machines and or known machined methods – and again I assert not with primitive tools?
    Just as you require me to support my statements, you too are required the same. The difference is the method I propose is the only method possible. So we can argue till we blue in the face – we cannot deny that it is the only method. Again I’m saying our ancients were much more advanced than we are today – we just don’t have other proof other than these megalithic ruins and their knowledge of the stars. Their language was misinterpreted as myth – example the slaying of dragons refer to Perseus and other constellations. They were sharing knowledge of neighboring stars and planets that our astronomers have only lately discovered. The pyramids (IMO) was marking solstice and equinox, by using zenith and nadir as reference (this is what my book is based on – orthogonal projections). Nothing fairy tale about gods and aliens coming here and doing their thing.

  • Shane Schuller

    This is certainly not the work of primitive tools or a primitive mind. Please compare the engineering of today vs your theory of stone tools to achieve the following equidistant holes – please show me valid evidence because I’d love to learn something other than I already know.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ACdUvd8NcDQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DACdUvd8NcDQ

  • Shane Schuller

    To reference the Moses story – the black top mountain, the bitter springs, the crossing of the sea, the calf worship, the split rock, the cave of Elijah and and and that was in the bible describing this event, has been discovered in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis know of this and won’t allow access – why? It’s fenced off. Check this out. This should blow theories outta the water – those claiming the bible is fiction – and hey I don’t even want a religion not have one.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A08_oRBAVPA

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    So your argument is that no one is allowed access, therefore the proof exists?

  • Shane Schuller

    Henry from all the things I said – this is your reply? I’ve raised this discovery twice one here and this is all you have. I call that diversion tactics. Funny thing though I find that on many blogs – they feel cornered and can’t produce any further discussion so immediately resort one liners.

    Henry, either you purposefully ignorant to facts when presented and or your impervious theories are threatened. I don’t know – but what ever you presenting here could’ve been a whole lot better if you acknowledge FACTS and accepts that all and everyone only has theories – nothing set in stone. Then my friend you’d imbue admirers.

    Obviously this is not a forum I wish to further a discussion – I’m looking for answers to my questions, and not TELLING you what it is – except suggest. So good luck and hope you learn something valuable in the future :-)

  • http://GhostTheory.com/ Henry

    I find that many people trying to sell an “alternative” theory often use the fact that because information is being “hidden from them” as confirmation that they are correct in their assertions. It is practically the entire basis for theories surrounding Area 51 (and yes I am aware that has no bearing on this discussion, I merely use it as an example) and that argument can be boiled down to its essential: “I don’t know, therefore I do know” More “God in the gaps” insubstantial nonsense.

    You have a pretty short attention span if you think after this exchange you can accuse me of resorting to one liners.

    I am fully in support of looking for answers, that is what this website is all about. But before you look for answers you have to establish the right questions. The basis of any logical argument is its premise, and in that pursuit a false premise, no matter how perfect the logic of the argument, can never lead to a valid conclusion.

    I wish you the best of luck in your search, and when you have anything substantial, provable and verifiable no one would be happier than to applaud you and report on your findings than myself or any of the others here at Ghost Theory. Until then, if you feel you and others who share your pursuits are above question, or should merely be taken as gospel (no pun intended) and never have your beliefs challenged, then you are exhibiting every prejudice you accuse me of.